Rough Rider Deluxe Congress MOP Review

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Luxurious or ostentatious?
Beautiful or ugly?
Tasteful or garish?
Inexpensive or simply cheap?

Whatever your opinion, nobody could say that this knife is boring, that's for sure!

This is the deluxe congress knife by Rough Rider.
I've been very pleased with other knives of this brand in the past, and I was looking for a congress pattern knife to try out.
While browsing, I came across this model and I just had to try it.

***PLEASE ACCEPT MY APOLOGIES FOR THE HORRENDOUS PHOTOS!***
My good camera's battery was dead, and I didn't want to wait for it to charge. I'll try to remember to upload better photos later...




I thought the congress pattern was ugly.
I didn't like the shape of the handle, I didn't like the way the blades sit in the handle.
I didn't like the way sheepsfoot blades look.
In fact, I thought congress pattern knives were so fascinatingly ugly that I found myself staring at them in wonder while trying to work out why anyone would buy such a monstrosity.
The more I stared, the more I kinda started to appreciate it.
In the end, I found it so ugly that It was beautiful, and absolutely had to own one immediately.

When I saw this RR, I knew it was the congress that I had been looking for.
'If you're going to buy a knife that's so ugly it's beautiful,' I said to myself, 'you might as well get the most pimped-out version you can.'

Think about it. How much should this knife rightfully cost?
If you went to a custom knifemaker and said 'Please make me an enormous congress knife with full filework and white pearl scales', how much would you have to pay?

I don't know the answer to that question, but I'd bet my @$$ it would be considerably more than $15.

Now, I'm certainly not saying that this is a custom quality knife, but I am very impressed that I can even get a decent knife for $15, let alone one with embellishments and exotic scales.

But I'm waffling.
I saw the knife, paid my $15+ shipping and nearly two weeks later, I had 2/3 of the order I made with stupid &@$##% wild bills wholesale.
I ordered three knives, and received two. They didn't charge me for the other knife, but they didn't let me know so I could choose another. They also waited a whole week to mail my package, and never called me back as promised when I called to ask what was happening. I won't be ordering from them again...

Aaanyway, my knife turned up eventually. It came in a rather nice presentation box, which I promptly threw in the garbage.
Such niceties are wasted on a philistine such as myself, I'm not a collector.

I've decided to do a "good, bad, and ugly" type review, it's my first, so go easy on me...

The good:
For such an inexpensive knife, the general quality of this piece is truly superb. You couldn't even get someone to grind a swedge on a knife for $15.

This is quite a substantial knife. It's just over 4 1/4" long and just under 3/4" thick.
It has two large sheepsfoot blades and two small pen blades.

All the blades have swedges :)
All blades have perfectly executed long straight match strike pulls, are mirror polished and razor sharp.








The knife feels chunky and substantial in the hand. It's not too heavy, but it has some heft to it. Very satisfying to hold.

The springs and the spines of the blades have very attractive filework.




The brass liners and center support liner thingies (what are they called?) are nice thick brass, and the brass has a nice deep golden tone.





The bolsters are a nice light colored nickel silver and have a pleasant art deco type design. The design is nice and crisp. Although they are brightly polished, they have lost no detail to overbuffing.

The backsprings are reasonably stiff, but are not nail breakers.
I actually prefer slightly lighter springs (SAK type pull) but this knife is not unpleasant or difficult to open.
The pen blades are slightly harder to open than the sheepsfoot blades, presumably because they are shorter and thus have less leverage.

Polishing of the whole knife is superb. As stated above, the design on the bolsters is sharp, no detail polished out. The same is true for the rest of the handle components.

The scales are breathtaking. The photos may not show it, but the pearl makes this knife look like a million dollars.
I'm sure RR don't use the finest most expensive MOP, but it's certainly not shabby. The pearl is definitely real, not plastic.

Walk and talk is excellent.
The backsprings may be a hair stiffer than I like, but the tradeoff is a really good snap on opening and closing.

There is a half stop on all four blades, which is something that I like, and somewhat mitigates the effect of the strong backsprings.

There is ZERO blade wobble in the open and half stop positions on all four blades.

The backsprings lay completely flush when the blades are open or closed.

The knife just oozes quality.
If someone had removed the RR logos and handed it to me, telling me that it was a $500 custom, I would probably have believed them.


The bad:
Not much to report here, but a couple of points...

There are a few tiny gaps here and there. This doesn't bother me in the least, because they really are tiny.
I think whoever buffed this knife knew when to stop. I'd rather have a crisp knife than an overbuffed one, even if that means a tiny gap here and there.
When I say tiny, I mean barely visible unless you're looking for them using a bright light.
I'm talking fraction of a human hair here.
I know some people consider this to be important, so I'm mentioning it, but to me it's a non issue.

The blades have a crink to make them fit properly in the handle when closed.
This would normally be a good point, but unfortunately it means that since the blades are very close together, and the knife has strong springs, the blades flex enough when opening to rub against each other.
I can't see how this could really be avoided without making the handle wider than it should be.
I think this is probably more to do with the pattern than bad workmanship.

There are a few gaps between the scales and the liners.
I guess this is because you're getting MOP scales on a $15 knife.
They're not obvious until you look real close, but they are there.
I imagine RR are using offcut-sized pieces of pearl at this price, so there is a bit of a tradeoff. I'm really picking nits here though, the scales are truly beautiful.

The filework on the spines and the backsprings do not match perfectly.
The design is identical, but the blades have been buffed more than the springs, so the filework is slightly less sharp on the blades than on the springs.
Again, I'm making it sound worse than it is. The effect is very subtle, and the filework is very pleasant to look at.

The scales are held in place with adhesive, not pins.
I guess this is because of the brittle nature of MOP. Setting rivets must be dicey, and RR obviously took the safer route rather than risk wasting scales.
We'll see how the glue holds up over time.

The ugly:
Well, either you love this knife, or you hate it.
I don't think it's ugly, but you may. I won't take it personally :D

Conclusion:
We already know that RR gives a lot of bang for the buck, but in the case of this knife, the ratio of bang/buck is even more than I'm used to.

I just can't get over how good this knife is for the money, it's simply ridiculous.

The best thing about this knife is that it's a user. I am not a 'safe queen' type of person, and if I bought an expensive custom knife, I wouldn't carry it for fear of losing it.
Why have a knife, examine it with a magnifying glass to make sure it's perfect, worry about the type of steel the blades are made from and how well they'll hold an edge, and then put it in a box and stick it in a drawer?

I'm not knocking you collector folks, I used to do the same thing.

I am from the UK, but I moved here to the States a couple of years ago.
Moving house by plane is pretty difficult, and I couldn't take most of my stuff with me.
I sold most of my knife collection, and the Case knives returned about what I paid for them.
That's all very well, but I didn't make much of a profit.

Since that time, i have only bought knives I'm going to actually use and enjoy, and this knife is no exception.
I can do this with impunity due to the low price I paid.

Overall, this knife is outstanding for the money. The styling makes me feel like I'm carrying an expensive antique in my pocket.
If I had paid double, triple, or even quadruple the price, I'd still feel like I had got an absolute bargain.
 
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It's a little to ornate for my taste but I think it's a good representation of Rough Rider quality these days all in all a very good knife for the money.
 
don't like it actually, too shiny/exaggerated for my likings, too "chic" or "girly" maybe? don't know how to define at actually
but hey it's a matter of taste and I don't own any knife I don't carry/use so no beauties/queens/works of art for now

BUT looking at the knife itself it looks really well made and what you write is impressive on a 15$ knife! would love to own it or get to see it to see how well it's actually made for so little money, could be a good example of a knife from which to confront others? like a standard knife?
it does look good and quality seems to be there which is something to consider

congrats
Maxx
 
Well normally, I like my knives to be plain and understated, I bought this one more for amusement and for somethinh a bit different, but now I've actually got it, I genuinely like it.
It doesn't look so gaudy and girly in person, and I think once the shine of the bolsters and liners has built up a bit of a patina, it will begin to look a bit classier.
I'm quite fond of the canoe pattern, and that's what I have been carrying lately, but this one has sold me on the congress pattern.
I might get the same knife in bone, and maybe a smaller one too.
 
I don't mean to call your baby ugly, but...
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This is a cold, cold group we've got here. Funny..., but cold. :eek:


(And I've got to wonder what act of congress could have had that result...)
 
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Say, that is a cute little tyke. Is it a girl? Anyway, I'm new here, and my disease is still in its infancy I guess, so after reading your great review James, I have sent away for one of these knives also.
 
I like rough riders,but hate their custom series of stuff.If you bought 10 of those the filework would look EXACTLY the same.The quality may be good,but it has no soul and looks cheesy to me.
 
Garish
Ostentatious
Cheap
Not as pretty as Corey's Baby.
YES
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Two Huge, Sharp, Thick Sheepsfoot Blades
No Blade Wobble.

A TB/Case Stamped 3 3/4" Sowbelly (3 5/8"?) was my first Sheepsfoot Blade.

I bought the RR MOP & BlackLip as a kind of joke.

They are too Garish, Ostentatious and way too heavy for my everyday carry.
No Blade Wobble.

I use one for ugly jobs a couple of times a week.

These strong cutters have centered Blades and no Blade Wobble.

Wake up!! Case and Queen. These RRs look foolish and cheap, but they work great!!
 
I am sitting here at my desk guffawing at your post, James.

First, good for you for having the self confidence to post that on this sub forum. By in large, they can be "selective" :eek: to say the least.

Personally, I don't know what to think. On one hand, that is about the noisiest knife I have ever seen. Maybe THE noisiest!

On the other other hand, why not? I don't care who did it or how it was done, the amount of decorative filing on that knife is incredible. Your pics are fine; I can't believe how well the filings line up. It is hard to see any real flaws from your pics; and for a user, I would say "home run" when describing that knife. The flaw you found in having crinked blades rub against one another was also found by me a few months ago when I bought a large ( 4 1/4") XXXXXX brand swell center whittler. ALL the blades rubbed, and not just a little.

It was explained to me that the longer the case (and blades) of the knife, the harder it was to manage the mechanics of a crink. Made sense to me.

Good enough. Quality knife, excellent seller, took it back without any fuss. The point of this is that knife cost (literally) 7X what you paid for your RR.

I hope you update and tell us what you think of the knife after you use it, but just as important, let us know if you have any trouble with the MOP.

Robert
 
Thanks for the kind words and well-deserved insults guys, I actually have an 8 month old baby girl, but thankfully she bears no resemblance to Rowan Atkinson.

I have actually sanded the blades and handle now, in part to get rid of the scratches where the blades have rubbed, but also to tone things down a bit.
The brass is now brass colored instead of gold, and the filework looks a lot more subtle now it's no longer mirror polished.
There's no point trying to capture this subtle difference in a photo, but it's definitely not as 'loud' now.
I think once the brass and nickel silver parts oxidise a little, the knife is going to look a lot more tasteful.
It's a shame it has stainless blades, patinated carbon steel would really look nice on this knife.

It will indeed be interesting to see how the MOP holds up. My guess is that as long as I don't drop it on a hard surface and the glue doesn't fail, they'll hold up just fine.

I'm quite tempted to get the same knife in amber jigged bone, the different scales completely change the appearance:

 
much better but still toooo much filework for me, anyway looks more manly than the moppy one:D
(just jokin')
 
Yeah, I'd really like the above bone scaled version if it had fileworked backsprings, but no fileworking on the blades.
Having said that, $15 fileworked anything is pretty amazing....

Johnny1950, I just reread your post. I hope you enjoy your knife as much as I'm enjoying mine (and don't listen to the bullies :D)
Would you mind adding your opinions onto this thread when it arrives?
 
I would be more than happy to put it in my pocket for a few days at the farm and get the girlie out of it for you:D If it is anything like my RR Congress it will man up nicely:thumbup:
 
I like it. I have recently bought several RR knives. I have no complaints, and prefer them at the price to others I have like Case.
Jerry
 
Yeah, I'm not a big Case fan either.
I used to have quite a few of them before I moved to the States, and while they were very nice, there wasn't enough difference between thos and my Rough Riders to justify the price difference.
When I got my first RR, I felt a bit cheated that I paid so much more for my Case knives. Also, I felt bad about using my Cases so I mostly left them in their boxes in a drawer. What's the point of that?
I also was not particularly impressed with the steel on the couple I did carry. Maybe the CV is good, but the stainless was no different from my SAK's or my RR's in terms of edge holding or ease of sharpening.

I'm not knocking Case, I was happy with my knives, but I wouldn't bother with collecting them again.
 
I'm a huge RR fan, have a great many. I have to say, I hate that congress although the bone variety looks better but should lose the filework on the blades maybe the back springs too. RR knives are very nicely built and their QC is IMO better than some of the famous old cutlery houses. If they want to up the anti they should focus on old patterns and embellishments such as well cut swedges.

Best regards

Robin
 
They do make a large congress without all the fancy stuff, I think I'm going to try one out in fact.
This knife was more of an amusement purchase, but I've found that I do actually like the congress pattern.

I agree 100% about the swedges etc. This knife does have swedges, but I'd like to see really crisp ones. One thing I love about this knife is the long straight match strike pulls. They have a really classic look to them, and are perfectly executed, even under the scrutiny of my loupe.

If RR really wants to up the ante, they should offer carbon steel blades.
I think that would grab the remaining non-believers.
 
Incidentally, if you like swedges, buy a Lansky sharpening system.
I'm afraid I no longer have my sharpener or any of my swedged knives to show you, but basically, you just put the knife in the clamp backwards and start with the coarsest stone you have.
I had to put a strip of rubber in the clamp to get it to hold the blade securely.

All you need to do is select the angle you want for the swedge and start grinding away at the tip of the spine.
You can't really go wrong, as the Lansky will hold the angle for you.
When you have it just right, just cycle through the higher grit stones until you have the finish you want.
Flip the knife over and repeat if desired.

It's a little laborious, but it gives a perfect swedge every time.
 
I put my own swedges on, so far the pics of RR's attempts have been basic and way over buffed rounding off any crisp line they would have. I take most of material off on the round emery wheel on my combo grinder and then finish with diamond paddles and wet n dry sand paper.

I do like file work, but it has to be tasteful which this definitely isnt...RR can be a little hit and miss, I've had a few bad apples come in with scales lifted or just fitted poorly.

I've posted these before but its what i've done in the past:

Sunfish and barlow.

Sunfish from another angle.

The sunfish had gaps in the bone and I filled with resin and polished it back up, darkened the bone a little just rubbing in a carbon soaked diesel oil and polished off the tacky etchings with wet n dry paper.
 
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