Rudy from the Survivor show may have his name on a knife!!!

I've only watched the show a couple of times, but I can't believe no one's mentioned Colleen! I thought she was the resident cutie!
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Chris Turner
Arkansas

"We Don't Rent Pigs" --Augustus McCrae

"I won't abide rude behavior in a man." -- Woodrow Call
 
I'm sorry, I have never seen the show but it still sounds stupid to me. People need to do something more productive with their free time than watch shows like that....they should hang out HERE!
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~Greg Mete~
Kodiak Alaska
 
Oh yeah....want to see someone who could really survive in a real situation. Check out some of our own members right here on BFC. Jeff Randall comes to mind. I think if Jeff was on an island with those yahoos he would have gone to the other side......

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~Greg Mete~
Kodiak Alaska
 
James Garner couldn't carry Rudy's jockstrap. I would like to see a "Rudy" endorsed knife.
 
I hope Rudy makes a million bucks from his collaboration! Below, my edited commentary from a WC forum post in regards to the whole Survivor debacle:

So in the end, the Only real survivor on the island, with 45 years in the Marine Corp and two tours of duty in Nam, a warrior who obviously knows how to dodge incoming bullets by working well with others, can't make fire, can't hunt, is fairly useless, is a real bastid, and in the end, falls on a grenade tossed by a selfish whiney bitch in order to save a fellow American whose life style he despises. And they say honor is a good thing.

That pretty sums up my problem with this whole concept. Bad guys win millions of dollars. Especially if they are pretty honest about being bad guys.

Voting each other off the island Because someone is More fit than You and is better liked than you, or is just not Hated as much makes for Mean, Nasty, and Less than Honorable Behavior. Pretty much like Real Life.

That Richard (someone called him a likeable dirty rotten scoundrel) understood this at the outset, and others only figured it out after they were dead, says a lot about his understanding of Human Nature and how to play this stupid Game. But I think it tells us very little about his ability to survive in the harsh environment of Nature, although he proved to be the only effective hunter in the bunch. Richard seems to have the harsh environment of Human Behavior pretty much figured out.

It was a human game, not God's game. And Richard knew how to play that game the best.

I hope the next time they do this, they let Rudy play again (he applied). And that they change the rules to allow the audience to vote. That way, we will get to see the cute chicks win, instead of just getting used and edited out of the show. Rudy will still lose of course. No good man ever gets his just desserts until he dies. It sucks, but that's reality.

Paracelsus, wondering around the universe
 
I missed the first 5 shows or so, but from the first show I actually caught,I was hooked on Survivor. Sure, it's not exactly cerebral, but as a guilty pleasure, it was great fun to watch.

I'm a little surprised when I hear people say they were surprised by how little actual survival (by which they mean, wilderness survival) was shown. Just looking at the MTV reality-type shows it was based on, it was obvious that social interactions would be the most interesting focus. Combine that with the rules, with people voting each other off, and it was easily predictable that social interactions would be the highlight of the show.

I'm also sometimes surprised that people think Rich was such a snake. The fact is, Rich was smart, no one else was. This is a game, everyone knew that from the start. Using the rules to get an advantage is no more unethical in Survivor than it is in chess or Monopoly. When Paracelsus complains that Richard didn't prove he's the best survivalist, I think he completely misunderstands what this game was about. In fact, I know he misunderstands. I know many of us would have liked the show to have been about wilderness survival, but it was about a different kind of survival -- those on the island foolish enough to think it was really about wilderness survival lost.

Meanwhile, the rest of us got to watch some pretty fun stuff, including watching four of the most abrasive people on the island survive to the end due to Richard's correct understanding of the game, and his leadership. Rudy, who we all seem to admire so much, recognized Richard's strengths in these areas immediately -- very high praise indeed, coming from a source like Rudy.
 
Umm, Joe, I kindly submit that you missed the point of my post. I was Not complaining that Richard won the Game. I was commenting on the irony of the Name of the Game and what it was Really all about. I only watched the very last episode with a bunch of friends who filled me in on what had gone before. I thought Richard won fair and square. I liked his strategy the best.

Especially when he let go of the pole. He correctly analyzed the situation and realized that winning the immunity challenge was neither necessary or even desirable in his situation. He knew that Kelly was going to beat Rudy, get immunity, and bet the farm that the others he had screwed over would respect him for his honesty about his dastardly plan and would not vote for an emotionally conflicted self-consciously selfish whiney person who only survived that far because no one considered her to be a major threat.

It was also clear that if Rudy had managed to win that last immunity challenge, he would have Won the Game. I was sorry to see him lose, but was really rooting for Richard. Intelligence is why our species succeeds and has survived. Honor is sometimes an impediment to survival. It's simply ironic, that's all. I'm not complaining about it.

Who misunderstood what?

Paracelsus
 
Okay, if that's what you meant, I either mis-read it, or you mis-wrote or, or a little of both. What you just wrote, though, is clear enough, and I agree. However, statements like...

But I think it tells us very little about his ability to survive in the harsh environment of Nature
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Voting each other off the island Because someone is More fit than You and is better liked than you, or is just not Hated as much makes for Mean, Nasty, and Less than Honorable Behavior.
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...are part of why I interpreted things the way I did. Your first statement is correct, of course. But since the main point of Survivor wasn't wilderness survival, I jumped to the conclusion that you were missing the point. The second statement sounds an awful lot like an ethical judgement on Richard's strategy (can you see why I interpreted it that way?). Whereas I feel, because this was a game, using the rules to advantage isn't unethical.

Anyway, your second post clears things up, sorry for the misunderstanding.

Interesting that the final 2 came down to Richard and Kelly. I think if it came down to Richard and Rudy, Rudy would have won. Richard and Susan, a toss-up. He was smart to surround himself with such abrasive people.

Richard's only real mistake, I felt, is that he was too-visibly the leader of the alliance, and too pompous about how secure he felt. As obnoxious as he was, he still beat Kelly, which goes to show how wisely he chose his alliance-mates. But if he were simply less pompous, it wouldn't have been so close, and he would have been able to beat Rudy if he needed to. Of course,I feel the same way about Susan -- if she had censored herself a bit, it might have been her and Kelly at the end. Refusing to make any personality compromises at all was Susan's downfall.

Joe
 
I knew a seal once. When I was a kid I part timed at the zoo....do I get a knife named after me too?
 
See thats the problem with the whole concept.

I am fully convinced that if this group were actually marooned on some island they would mate (trying to keep it civil) for a couple of weeks and then settle down and start a successful dot com business.

Individuals "survive" temporarilly. Groups either form very quickly into new and productive communities, or fall apart, and kill each other off to drop the population back to the individual level. The issue is less about survival then it is about creating a new local economy. I didn't watch the show but scavenging a few rats is hardly sounds like much of an economy. If that is the best they could do they would all be dead.

What did they survive on? Takeout pizzas?

Somehow I doubt that malaria, gangerine, and miscellaneous jungle fevers were part of the mix here.

Did anyone even loose weight?

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Actually I don't think Rudy was the sharpest knife in the drawer. Richard made two alliances. One with two other people, and one with Rudy. Rudy wasn't voted off early on because Richard kept him around through his alliance with the other two. Rudy was Richard's ace in the hole for the end game. At the end, Richard bailed on Rudy, knowing that Kelly would vote him off, because she would lose to Rudy in the final popularity contest and stand a better chance against Richard. Richard didn't want to win the last immunity challenge because if he did, he would have to vote Rudy off as well (his ally) because he knows he would lose in the final popularity contest between him and Rudy. So he bails way early on during the final immunity challange so he doesn't have to risk winning and end up voting Rudy off. He let Kelly do that and then Rudy (as a member of the final "jury", in allegiance to his alliance with Richard (the guy who so subtly used him all the way through and right down to the bitter end), voted for Richard, who won. Richard played Rudy like a fiddle and he probably still hasn't figured it out. Is that all clear?
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Of course, I could be wrong since I only saw it twice.
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Hoodoo

Why dost thou whet thy knife so earnestly?

The Merchant of Venice, Act IV. Scene I.
 
Hey - and the last time I played Monopoly, nobody went broke! The game of gin involves no alcohol at all (at least if you play by the official rules)! The game of Jeopardy has no real risks at all!

Survivor was a game, ya silly, point missing bastids!

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"Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes, the bear eats you."
 
Add me to the list of people who never watched the show. It was bad enough I had to listen to stupid **** about them on the morning radio show I listen to. But to hear there may be a knife created outof it makes me want to puke. TV can generally kiss my ass Id rather make a knife in my shop that watch any of the mindless drivel that the networks try to pass off as entertainment. Ive had more fun watching myself bleed.
 
What little I watched (not much) was a joke!

Many encourageed me to sign up for this farce, but I quickly realized what a piece of PC plastic this was.

 
Well we all know how reputable of a news show "entertainment tonight" is .mmhmm

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bu then again,what do i know???
 
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