Ruined some horn slabs...

CDH

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How did I ruin these? I tried to follow some basic instructions I found oft repeated...to flatten horn you boil for 20 minutes to soften and quickly clamp between flat plates, allow to cool and dry (I left it clamped for 2 days, this was the result), and voila, it's flat! Yeah, right. I sanded for a while to see if I could get a usable scale but after cutting a 3/8"+ slab down to 1/4" there still isn't enough flat to use...

Here's the result:
Cracked
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and
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Warped
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What do I do for better results next time???
 
I seem to remember something about soaking them in some sort of base solution, as in high pH. Maybe somebody will fill in the details Cheers Ron.
 
In my limited experience, 200f is to low a temp to get the horn to soften enough to really move around. I think, I used 300f in my toaster oven for horn slabs and I know I had no problems with cracking. I was flattening Oryx horn.
Thanks,
Del
Ps try a small piece at this temp first, just in case I'm a bit high on my temp
 
For sheep horn,I was advised ( by Ed Fowler's neighbor) to put the scales in a loaf pan of fine sand (cover them completely) and put it in the oven at 250F. Check the softness after 20 minutes, and recheck every 10 minutes. Clamp between two maple blocks in a vise when ready. It can take some time, as much as an hour, before it gets soft enough to bend well. If it is too springy, it will bend back after clamping. He said the same thing as Delbert - 212F is too low.
It may take some experimentation to find the right temp( up to 300F may be needed) and time, but once you get it right, this works well.
Stacy
 
FWIW - the folks that build really high end powder horns use hot cooking oil at around 325° F - dip for 10-15 seconds MAX and clamp........powder horns are thinner than slabs so a bit more time maybe needed - experiment on scrap........
 
I am not sure what kind of horn you are using exactly, since I don't see that stated and it can make a difference. There is also a difference in what is commonly called horn and antler.
This experience is based upon Deer antlers. Horn is different in some procedures.

Having said that here I go. If I am understanding by looking at your pictures what is going on they may not be as bad as you think.
They are warped still! Is that correct?
If that is what is happening try this! Reboil but his time, boil approx. 20 min, you can throw a litlle vegtable oil in the water a table spoon or so. Take the horn directly from boiling water and clamp between a couple of 2x4's or 2x6's, something substancial so as it can't warp while forcing the horn to a flat postion.
You will need gloves to handle while hot and don't be afraid to use the vice on the 2x's. Get them from hot pot to boards allready prepared, immediately! Clamp them between the boards as fast as possible and crank the pressure on the vice till you can't move any more. You want to postion so that vice is putting pressure directly and equally to each piece.
Usually depending on how bad they are warped they will embed slightly in the wood as the pressure is put to it and due to the temp they are at. Once clamped leave at least 48hrs before unclamping.
Any warpage left and it usually is not much can be flattened on a belt sander with a large flat area to work on.
It has been my experience that boiling doesn't create cracks, it excentuates them. During shaping the sanding will help bring out the real colors in the horn again. Any cracks that remain after shaping can be sealed with Super Glue and a lite sanding will take off of the surface. Cracks in horn depending on the knife can add a lot of character to the piece.
Worst comes to worst send the slabs to me and I'll make a knife and give you credit for the handles!!!!!!!!:D
Hope this helps!
 
Thanks guys!

This is 'select' water buffalo horn, sourced from Texas Knife Supply.

I'll try the higher temperature...I was trying to keep it out of the kitchen as I don't want to stink up the house. I can boil water outside on the side burner of the gas grill, but the oven is going to cost me somethign nice for the wife...:D Oh well, it is Christmas time anyway.

I think I have sanded this set too thin for the knife I am working on, but I have another set coming and we'll see how that one goes.

Thanks again!
 
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