Rules for a passaround forum

OK here's my suggestion, we post both sets of rules, One set is for ADD individuals, but has a * to see full rules. The full rules are also then listed.

The good thing is once the forum is set up, and these are made sticky at the top of the forum, then we can just post the short rules in the signup and refer them to the more detailed rules at the top of the forum.
 
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Maybe you should just call the abbrev. version the "knucklehead" rules.

for those that understand:
If your hand burns when you stick it in the fire, don't stick it in the fire"

Then keep the long version for those that don't have any common sense and have to have it all spelled out for them, and their lawyer approve it. ;)


Come on, now, Dave. I know you've been burned by these things, and more than anybody else has. But do you think somebody like Spyderpunk is actually going to read a page-long set of rules? He'd skip right over it and that's exactly the kind of person that screws up a passaround.

Those that can understand the rules, have general common sense, and take the time and effort to do things the right way - aren't the problem.

It's the ones that sneak on in without really understanding or agreeing to a clear set of rules and ideas.

I'm not trying to rub you guys the wrong way. I'm on your side. I want this forum as much as everybody else.

Dan

:D
 
No, I fully agree no one will read the full rules, BUT we'll need the full rules when something happens, that way we can say ok, here was the expectation, here is how we will deal with the issue.

Yes ultimately in the three major examples that I had trouble with, the people just plain didn't seem to care enough to ship it on. No rules can change that, but instead of having a long drawn out GBU discussion. We can just say "OK, you have x amount of time to get it here, if it doesn't make it your banned or whatever."

This will make the process much more streamlined and straight forward.
 
Abbreviated rules:

1. Bladeforums.com is not reponsible for anything pertaining to this passaround.

2. I will ship the knife insured appropriately and within the designated timeframe and agree to replace it if lost.

3. I am over 18 years of age, and the knife involved in the passaround is legal to possess and carry in my jurisdiction.

4. I understand that I am not exchanging money for any goods.

5. I agree to pass along the knife in the condition I received it, or better.

6. If I violate any of these rules, I will be banned and not allowed to participate in any more passarounds.

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Complete Passaround forum rules:

By agreeing to take part in any passaround posted on Bladeforums, you agree to the following conditions:

1. I release BladeForums.com, it's members, etc from any liability that results from my participating in this passaround. This includes any damages that may result from using, abusing, or testing the passaround knife.

2. I agree that I will have the passaround knife for a set period of days as specified in the passaround thread, then send it to the next person on the list, at my expense. I agree that postage and insurance are my responsibility and that should the knife fail to reach the next member of the list, it is my responsibility to replace it.

3. I agree that should I fail to live up to my obligations in this passaround, I will be banned and my personal information will be published so that others will have "fair warning". This will be left up to the discretion of the moderators. Remember that participation in the passarounds is a priveledge and can be revoked at any time.

4. I affirm that I am over 18 years of age, and that the knife involved in the passaround is legal to possess and carry in my jurisdiction. If you choose to participate in paid passarounds, you agree that the money being sent is not in exchange for any good or service and you agree to release BladeForums.com, it's members, etc from any liability for the loss of the funds invested in the passaround if the knife is lost or destroyed.

When sending the knife, send by a method that requires signature confirmation and insure the package for an amount equal to or greater than the replacement cost of the knife. This will be more expensive, but it puts everyone at a much lower risk. The knife must be carefully packaged with all seams taped and the knife secured within the package. USPS is considered to be the cheapest and fastest service for mailing a passaround knife.

Every person should make the best effort to pass along the knife in as good of condition as possible, if not better. If the blade is dull and you feel confident in your sharpening skills, put a fresh edge on the knife before you send it along. Clean any grime or residue off the blade before passing it along. In the event the knife is broken, fails, or is otherwised destroyed, get in contact with whoever is in charge of the passaround immediately. If the knife has failed due to defect, arrange to have the knife returned for warranty service. If the knife failed due to abuse that is not covered by the warranty, it is your responsibility to replace the knife. The bottom line is every participant is responsible for getting the knife to the next person on the list.

By participating in the passaround, you also agree to adhere to the above posted rules, and any violation of the rules will cause your membership at Bladeforums.com to be revoked. You also understand that if you are a Gold, Premium, Knifemaker, or Dealer member, and your membership is revoked, you will not be entitled to any refunds of said membership fees.


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What do you think pen?
 
You didn't ask me but I think they are perfect! :p :p :p

I think we have to realize we can get into an infinite loop here, when it's good enough I think we should move on.

Inevitably we may have to tweak the rules from time to time.

Can we have the forum now?
 
Once the forum is up, I will post the rules thread, but I will leave it open, so others can post suggestions.
 
Dave & Steven,

It's y'all's forum...you can do as you please.

I just want to try to help make it as friendly as possible. Otherwise, I'm going to keep my passarounds in the Himlayan Imports Forum - where friendliness is not a rule, it's a given.

I think you guys have the right idea.

Spark - we've beat this thing to death. Let's get the forum going.



Dan
 
I can't shut up today...

I think what happens is that as passarounds become more common, and a wider number/kind of members participate, the need for rules also grows. But it might make sense to keep passarounds in certain forums if they are specific interest kinds of things.
 
Since the other thread about a passaround forums is locked, I thought I'd BTT this one. Spark, have you had a chance to look at our rules?

Thanks
 
Looks pretty good to me. Now the question is, where does this go? General, Community, Exchange? Maybe a subforum of reviews?
 
Spark, guys, et al...

Believe me when I say that I have a world of respect for you guys, what you've done, and what you're doing... (please, someone get a screen shot of this, and quote me on it later...lol)

Believe me when I say that I've read the 'whole' rules, and even the abbreviated 'hole' rules...understand them completely, and have zero problem with what you're setting out to do...

And lastly, believe me when I say I want to participate, and may even ante up a knife for a pass around, but...

And there it is, the 'big but'...

On the 5th, at 3:30 PM, I was asked to fly to Manzanillo, Mexico, leaving on the 7th at 'O'dark thirty', returning on the 11th. I got home at midnight on the 18th, and had to fight to get an early out. (My two buds got home on the 21st!)

So, my only concern is, and I've said this from the get; am I going to get stoned or banished if I'm 'late' on my delivery?

Thanks in advance for your well thought out and polite responses... ;)

Mel
 
My personal opinion is that each person in the passaround should have the name & phone number of the previous person, next person & an alternate. If you are going to be unable to participate, you should contact that person and let them know. Sounds like a simple solution to me.
 
Originally posted by Spark
My personal opinion is that each person in the passaround should have the name & phone number of the previous person, next person & an alternate. If you are going to be unable to participate, you should contact that person and let them know. Sounds like a simple solution to me.
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The list that I have included with all of my passarounds has had and will have the names, nicks, addresses, email addresses, and phone numbers of all the participants so we can keep in contact in case something goes amiss.

I would say that a passaround forum would fit under General. My personal preference would be that it was its own forum, but a subforum of knife reviews makes sense also.
 
From a legalese point of view, perhaps the abbreviated rules state that you have read the "whole" rules in the sticky above ? ? ?
:) :) :)
Just my 1 cent, I don't have enough to give you my 2 cents
Tom
 
Originally posted by Steven Roos
The list that I have included with all of my passarounds has had and will have the names, nicks, addresses, email addresses, and phone numbers of all the participants so we can keep in contact in case something goes amiss.
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Personally, I don't like the idea of disclosing everybody's address to every person on the list. It only takes one unscrupulous person...

For my passarounds, I email each person only the next person's address.

Since I keep the emails I send, if they happen to forget the order, I just email it to them again.

When I got the BM-970 passaround (a while back) and saw that my address had been available to 9 other people who I did not know - well, it wasn't a happy moment.

This isn't about security, though. It's about privacy. If you are going to disclose each person's address to everybody on the list, then that needs to be stated in the rules. Otherwise, it's very easy to keep it private.

Again, personally, I like the idea that I'm the only one that knows everybody's addresses. After the passaround, I erase all the emails, etc.




Re: Forum Location

For me, it makes the most sense to put it in either 1 of 2 categories:

1 - In the Knife Exchange (since that's really what it is - a lengthy exchange - just happens to be "almost free" :D )

2 - In the General Knife Discussion - where it will clearly get the most traffic.



Dan
 
I'm all for privacy, BUT I'm not going to take the labor in emailing every person.

So, for me every piece of data goes on the list, if someone doesn't like it, then they don't need to sign up. Also FWIW, it's been like this since the beginning, so sorry that was a surprice.

But I don't see a problem in adding that to the rules or mentioned in the signup.

I don't have a preference for the forum location.

MP, no problem we'll just put you last on any you sign up for. :p No really, that's the "discretion" part of the moderators, as long as we have a note so that everyone knows what's going on.
 
Spark;

The passaround forum needs to be listed in the general category, and maybe a sub of the review and testing forum.

If you place it in the Exchange area, it won't get as much traffic, and as I'm an Exchange moderator, I don't really want it in the area I moderate. (I refuse to be involved in this venture; too many arrogant egos involved).

Just my 2 cents.
 
Pen: I understand your concerns about privacy, and I plan to reevaluate the way I conduct my passarounds. Thanks for your input.
 
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