Rusting CRKT Ryan 7

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See2

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OK... WTF? I got a CRKT Ryan 7 in the mail from 1SKS YESTERDAY, and the blade is already showing little rust spots around the thumb hole! (I removed the doorknob thumb studs). I mean a LOT of litte rust spots! What should I do? It's a pretty cool little knife, and I like it, but rust after a DAY? C'mon!
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I f**king hate bead blast....

Least I can say my Emersons never did this!
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It almost certainly has to do with the bead-blast surface. I'm not sure why the heck companies even bother. It creates hundreds of microcracks so that water can get stuck in there. THE WORST part though, once it gets rusted, you have to polish it, and you can never get the blade to look the same as before, so you have a couple shiny areas on your stupid blade, and it looks dumb!!!! with capital D. I personally hate bead blast, and wish companies would get a clue. Especially CRKT who produces a beautiful knife like the Wasp, but gives it a crappy surface. Dangnabit!!!

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See2:
I am sorry to hear about your Ryan. I carry mine daily and have not had that problem. I actually checked the last batch of Ryans CRKT sent me and none of them had any rust. I haven't heard back from any customers on rusting either. Maybe yours was an isolated incident. You can try sending it back to the dealer you bought it from for an exchange. If not, send it back to CRKT. They have an excellent return policy.
 
I would love to see the Glass Bead finish banned! It SUXS!

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I was finding the same spot rusting problem with my CRKT Crawford/Kasper and Point-Guard folders, so those knives are gone.

I don't know if it was the bead blasting or the AUS-6 steel that was the problem, but...

...So far none of my Cold Steel or REKAT knives are rusting...
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Hey guys - thanks for the shoulder. It's a really cool knife (it'll hold me over til I can get a REAL Ryan #7)
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It's a shame that they have to bead blast. I'll see about returning it. In the mean time, I've gotten some marine tuf-cloth, and soaked the blade with it, so maybe that'll head things off at the pass. If return's a no-go, I guess I have my first satin finish with a Dremel tool experiment...

Think removing the studs voided the warranty? I pretty mush destroyed them taking 'em off, so there's no way I could reinstall 'em.
 
Glockman--it's not the AUS-6, that's for sure. AUS-6 is really good about corrosion resistance. Bead blast, on the other hand, is not.

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I removed the "finish" form both my CK's with 800 grit paper - didn't want to remove the opening stud, so the area around it still has that grey look - result is fine for a user blade an dlets hope CRKT gets the message! Those guys make a fine blade for the money and this would only make it better.
 
What's so weird about it is that the Mirage was one of their earlier knives. It is AUS6, with a fairly shiny blade, and I've not had one iota of rust on two that I've sadly neglected. They went and fixed something not broken.

I can't help but wonder if the custom makers, doing so many "tactical" things aren't the root cause of it. Maybe SEALS have to be concerned about glare on their blades, but I sure don't.


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Bugs - I'm not sure if the custom makers are to blame here... Sure, SEALs want no reflections, but to get a matte finish via beadblast? And then use the knife in a salt water environment 95% of the time? I don't think that'd live up to their standards. Blade coatings, like Teflon and others, sure.

I know what you mean about beadblast as a whole though. Why do it? The only reasons I can think of are cost, and to hide imperfections on the blade. I don't knopw how expensive "hard chroming" a blade is, but, like you, I don't mind a shiny blade at all! In fact, I like 'em better - makes the knife more attractive.

So, I'm still waiting to hear about a return. If a no-go, I'll get a Dremel, and go to town. Kind of a bummer that the Ryan logo will be lost (losing the CRKT one doesn't really bother me that much), but ahh well. A fellow Usual Suspect mirror finished his Microtech LCC/DA with one (there's a pic of it in the "Two good friends, one dead enemy" thread in here). I think I'll get some pointers from him before I start polishing.
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See2- I don't think CRKT will mind about the studs. My friend had the stud fall off because they were loose, and they sent me a new set right away. You could always use that excuse
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About Bead Blast, as I've read a number of times here, (can't actually speak from personal experience, sorry) the theory is that you are basically cold forging the surface by blasting it with high velocity beads. This makes the surface more scratch resistant, stronger, and believe it or not more rust resistant.
HOWEVER
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The wrong way to do is to never replace the bead, so they get broken up and leave millions of microscratches on the surface. Too bad it looks just like doing it the right way. I even saw that CRKT once honestly advertised that it was LESS stain resistant. I don't see that in their literature any more. Maybe on there website.
BTW can someone "in the know" please confirm my theories on beadblasting. Thanks.
 
Send it back and complain so CRKT will be aware of the problem. Then they may change things in the future.
 
I forget who said it here, but a Formite said CRK&T are concerned over the bad press 6a is getting on this board! I think the general gist is they are looking to improve the steel. Also note the Sampson KISS? With the polished finish? Shows they are aware we want better. I hope.

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Wayne.
"To strive to seek to find and not to yield"
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Ranger motto

A few useful details on UK laws and some nice reviews!
http://members.aol.com/knivesuk/
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I own the knife and I really like the way it feels. It is very ergonomic in shape and has very large ridges in all of the right places. Definatly worth it. It would be even more worth it with G10 scales and ATS-34. Oh, well.

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Personally, my opinion is that if CRKT ever went with a stonewash finish instead of Bead Blast, they'd be about perfect as a company. My only bitch with their products is the bead blast finish. Everything else they do is amazing.

Kevin

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Kevin Jon Schlossberg
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I agree with Sparky.
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For you guys with rust problems I have three words for you that I live by:

Marine Tuff Cloth

It keeps the rust at bay on my file steel knives and bead blast knives quite well.
Hopefully it will work as well for ya'll.
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There are two approaches that I have taken with the CRKT bead blast finish and rusting. First is to dissasemble the knife, and since it is already beadblasted for you, use one of the aftermarket bake on teflon/moly finishes from somewhere like Brownells. I did this to a Carson M16 about 5 years ago and it is still in service with a friend of mine in Yugo. as I write this. Second option is to use Flitz to clean it and them take a dremmel with their polishing buffer lightly to the blade. You don't have to give it a mirror polish or anything but it still takes the poors down enough to prevent some of the rusting. I did this to a Crawford PG. The biggest problem is just the combo of AUS6 or 8 and bead blasting.
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Jonas -

Like Pergatory said, it's a great knife. I love the size, I love the design (yep - even love the zig zags), and I love the way it fits my hand. The only bitches I had were the doorknob studs (easily taken care of, to the betterment of the knife, I think), and this damn rusting. I'm using the marine Tuf-cloth on the blade, and that seems to help (from what I can see - no real noticable spread of the rust), but of course, the MARINE Tuf-cloth leaves a nice sticky residue on the blade that the lint from my pocket is very attracted to. So, I have a somewhat fuzzy blade. Ahh, well. Once I find a Torx that'll fit these screws (when and WHY did manufacturers start believing that Torx head, Allen head, and spanner head screws were better than Phillips or - God forbid - flat head screws?) I'll take the knife apart, clean it, Tuf-it, and then go about fixing this bead blast problem.
 
About the torx heads, I like them because they don't strip as easily. I EASILY stripped a few very small Allen-head screws on my Kabar folder trying to adjust the clip.

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