Rusty Spyderco PM2 Cruwear Received

[max22]

I'm new here so hope this is the appropriate place to post this issue I'm having with a purchase made here on the Knife Exchange. If not please let me know.

The knife was listed as: "Spyderco PM2 “Crucarta” Cruwear blade steel with micarta scales.I carried this knife a couple times but only a couple times.Spyderco done a great job with the micarta scales on these knives.it has both a soft and grippy feel instead of a hard and slick feel.I put a deep carry titanium pocket clip on this knife for a short time.I gave that titanium clip to a friend and ended up losing the pocket clip screws before I got around to putting the original clip back on,I misplaced the pocket clip screws.I do however,still have the original pocket clip.this knife is in great shape."
There were only 3 photos of the knife, the lighting was not good, and it looked "okay" so going by his description of "in great shape" I bought it on faith.

When it came in I was shocked to see that the Spyderco box was laying mashed by itself, no padding, in a paper priority mail envelope. Upon examining the actual knife I found a good amount of rust on the blade and stop pin. Please see the attached photos.

I disassembled the knife and after about an hour of careful cleaning and scrubbing, especially in the valleys of the jimping, I oiled the blade and reassembled the knife. I reached out to the seller to give him constructive feedback about his need to improve on his packing methods AND to ask for a fair and modest $10 partial refund for the hour of time spent to refurbish the rusty blade. I included the attached photos of the rust on the blade.
His response last Friday the 5th was an apology about the packing and forgetting to include any silica packets. His response to the rust was "as for the rust,I assure you,there wasn’t a spot of rust anywhere on that knife when I put it in the mail." That was the only response received. I see he has been on the forum but is ignoring my messages that I have been sending since last Friday.

My questions to the forum members are these:
1. Do you think the rust shown in my photos all occurred during the 2 day transit?
2. Am I out of line asking for a modest $10 partial refund?
3. At what point does someone leave negative feedback about a transaction on the knife exchange?

Looking forward to your responses.

@ Garrett Ferrell
Here is the link to the sales thread https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/sold-spyderco-pm2’s.1884311/

 

[Boru13]

Wanna comment on a couple of things before answering your questions.

There’s no mention of the box in the for sale thread, not much to do about that.

Shipping a knife in a envelope is asinine in my opinion, nothing more than the seller being too cheap and lazy to use a box.

In regards to your questions.

#1… Not likely but possible.

#2… I don’t think you’re out of line but your talking about $10, for me it wouldn’t be worth the bother.

#3… Since the transaction is complete, you can leave feedback whenever you want.

 

[rhino]

Under the right circumstances, corrosion can get started surprisingly quickly. I would be surprised if it happened to part that should be corrosion resistant in just two days, but it's impossible to rule it out.

 

[jlauffer]

It's similar to the "when are buyers going to learn to use G&S?" thing... when are sellers going to learn to use boxes instead of envelopes?

 

[Anderdale]

The knife wasn’t wrapped in bubble wrap within that envelope? It was just a knife and Spyderco box by themselves in that envelope?

I’m fine with people using envelopes as long as they wrap the knife and contents with some bubble wrap.

Sometimes I reuse Amazon bubble mailers etc. however, Like I was taught as a young boy, You've got to wrap it up

 

[max22]

The knife wasn’t wrapped in bubble wrap within that envelope? It was just a knife and Spyderco box by themselves in that envelope?

I’m fine with people using envelopes as long as they wrap the knife and contents with some bubble wrap.

Sometimes I reuse Amazon bubble mailers etc. however, Like I was taught as a young boy, You've got to wrap it up

 

[John Phillips]

Drives me crazy to receive a knife in an envelope. Real possibility of the entire deal going sideways to save $3-$5 buck isn’t worth it. Everyone and I mean everyone has an empty Amazon box.

 

[sharp_edge]

I remember seeing that sales post and my immediate thought is that given the poor lighting in those pictures, the condition of both PM2's were not genuinely represented. In other words, I did not translate what's shown in those picture as "in great shape." If I were to buy either one, I'd ask the seller to take some pictures under natural light.

As for using an envelope to ship the knife, it is a big no, as already commented by several others.

 

[Anderdale]

Drives me crazy to receive a knife in an envelope. Real possibility of the entire deal going sideways to save $3-$5 buck isn’t worth it. Everyone and I mean everyone has an empty Amazon box.

Not to mention, a priority envelope was used. So the price of a small flat rate box would have been the same.

 

[Gastonknife]

Well, I can see a few minor spots of rust in the sellers pics from his listing that correspond to the OPs pics. So the rust was there when he sold it and is in the pics in the listing. So not buying his "assurance of no spot of rust on it when put in the mail". That is not the truth.
Forgoing the packing discussion, If you were not happy with the knife or had an issue - you probably should have brought that up to the seller prior to all the work and disassembly you did on the knife. Could have asked for a price adjustment at that time and then based on his response then decided how to proceed. It does seem like the seller could have handled this a bit better - especially from the communication part. Perhaps this will be a lessoned learned for both parties - mainly the seller.

 

[max22]

Well, I can see a few minor spots of rust in the sellers pics from his listing that correspond to the OPs pics. So the rust was there when he sold it and is in the pics in the listing.

Then if that's the case that the rust was there when he sold it ..... then shame on the seller for misrepresenting the knife.

Forgoing the packing discussion, If you were not happy with the knife or had an issue - you probably should have brought that up to the seller prior to all the work and disassembly you did on the knife. Could have asked for a price adjustment at that time and then based on his response then decided how to proceed. It does seem like the seller could have handled this a bit better - especially from the communication part. Perhaps this will be a lessoned learned for both parties.

No argument - I should have contacted the seller before fixing the problem. It's just that when I see a problem and can fix it I sometimes jump in and go ahead and fix it. You are correct, I have learned my lesson to not trust this particular seller, and hope that other buyers do the same as I can see that he has been selling quite a few knives here in the past 3 weeks. This is the only seller here on this forum that has been a problem for me.
He is a real piece of work from the standpoint of packing, misrepresentation, and lack of communication.

I appreciate the insight and comments, thank you Gastonknife.

 

[Gastonknife]

Would be nice to hear from the Seller, I see you tagged him on the post. I certainly do not want to excuse the seller, but the rust spots are pretty minor; although I would have noted them if I was selling it. That doesn't explain the comment about no rust or lack of communication though.

 

[Boru13]

Garrett Ferrell

 

[Ajack60]

I don't think the knife formed rust in transit, I've shipped tool steel knives and have never had anyone claim that rust was on the blade.
You're not out of line for asking for what your time is worth to you while being more than fair about it.
If it were me, I'd leave negative feedback if I didn't get my measly $10.00 back.

max22 , always ask for additional pics if the ones posted are not clear or are in poor lighting. Always ask what form of shipping will be used and whether it will be shipped in a box. I've walked away from sales due to items being shipped in an envelop.
Always ask if the knife comes with everything it was shipped with originally even if it's stated in the sales thread.
Here's some food for thought, instead of scanning the sales forum for something you're interested in, post in the WTB forum. You'd be surprised how many members read it regularly to sell instead of having to post in the sales forum. That gives you the opportunity to slow down and not be in the feeding frenzy you see in the sales thread on some items.

 

[Lawilli2]

Rust is evident in sellers posted pics. Statement of no rust after the fact doesn’t change that you could see the blade condition prior to purchase, IMO. Bummer for all involved.

 

[Sibyrnes]

After reading this thread I made sure to wipe a couple of drops of oil on the blade of my PM2 with Cruwear. Thanks

 

[elde66]

1. Leave the factual negative feedback and move on.
2. In deciding to purchase thru the Forum in the future, ensure you are totally satisfied with both the item and the seller prior to making an offer/deal.

 

[UncleBoots]

1. Leave the factual negative feedback and move on.
2. In deciding to purchase thru the Forum in the future, ensure you are totally satisfied with both the item and the seller prior to making an offer/deal.

3. If the pictures are really poorly lit, there's usually a reason.

 

[Triton]

Agree with the comments on shipping. It's a never ending source of wonder to me how people will ship items, even high dollar items in the cheapest of packing materials.

As for the10 dollars I would just leave feedback and move on. If you weren't happy you could have should have asked for a refund up front and sent the knife back before you worked on it. Once you took it apart it was yours.

 

[scottc3]

So pics in ad are high rez, the slightest amount of image processing, magnification, stretching histogram, tweaking exposure bla bla, look like rust tint like crud on jimping in a 3 spots, scales do not line up with holes, and pivot -scale interface is not symmetrical all the way around. Only Spyderco I've owned was a Native LW, so I do not know if rough edge finish of liners is normal or suspicious. Due diligence would have me asking for more pics of more surfaces, given he said it "was in great shape."
I would not be happy with packing.
A request for dollar amount is unclear as I think enough info was given in ad pics as red flags. Even more wierd is seller saying no rust?
Ging dark though means seller is done with the sale, their choice for sure. Certainly worth leaving less then perfect feedback, your choice for sure. I 'd back up feedback with ad pics though.