RVW: Emerson/Perrin LaGriffe

This has probably been done already, but I wanted to add my 2 cents. The Emrson LaGriffe is a production model of the popular, but hard-to-get Fred Perrin original. Fred's is hand forged and ground and they usually feature a needle-like point with a hollow chisel grind on one side of the blade only. They are usually a simple carbon steel such as 1095, I believe, although I may be wrong on the steel type. I believe the Emerson version is 154CM which is the American version of ATS-34. The knife is meant to be a neck knife and offers several distinct advantages in the regard, at least for self-defense purposes.
I was initially struck by the small size of the LaGriffe. It is tiny (no actual measurements, but rest assured even with small hands it is tiny to me!)! That said, the knife is very comfortable in the hand due to the ergonomic design: there is a large hole that the index finger slips through and the rest of the handle curves down like the handle on a .32 Special. The Kydex sheath is as minimal as it can get, and you can rest assured I'll be designing my own version that will incorporate belt and neck carry features! Contact me if you want one like that, too. The sheath is fine for neck use, though, and as small and low-profile as can be expected. Retention is good and there is no blade rattle/wobble.
The knife itself is coated in black Teflon, I would assume, and features a bunch of holes in the handle for light weight and grip improvement. The main difference between the Emerson and the Perrin original, aside from the manufacturing processes, is the blade. The Emerson blade is a hawksbill style insuring good point penetration and wicked fear factor! It seems pretty sharp out of the box, but I am no fan of chisel grinds. In fact I am not really a fan of the neck knife fad altogether, yet in the last month I have aquired a REKAt Fang, Emerson La Griffe, and a Livesay Titanium Tiger! Go figure!
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Anyway, the design principles of this knife are its strongest factors. Make no mistake, this knife is not intended for or designed with any utility purposes in mind, and would perform poorly in every utility task except maybe box-cutting. This knife is for self defense. The rest of this is my own opinion, although I am writing it like it's fact, so bear with me:
Fred must've made this knife for the everyday guy who has no background in martial arts or knife fighting. It's very shape requires a punching-like fist to be wrapped around the knife and, therefore, it is a formidible weapon for anyone who can make a fist and punch! Brilliant! Secondly, the finger hole gives the user a great hold on the knife, insuring it will remian with the user and not be kicked or hit away. This also allows an experienced user to do open-hand strikes while letting the knife dangle on the finger. Yet another great design principle!
The knife is also assymetrically shaped, so the hand can instantly index the direction the blade is facing right from the get-go. Some neck knives are so simple and symmetric that one has no idea if the cord has twisted and it is a complete surprise as to how the knife will be presented. The shape of the knife eliminates this altogether. Finally, the blade is small. So small, in fact, that without luck, a huge blast of fighting frenzy adrenalin, or great skill, one would be hard-pressed to deal an attacker a fatal blow. This looks good from a court's point of view, and also is a great advantage who want to carry protection that is not lethal. In my opinion (no martial arts or fighting background), this knife is ideal for anyone who wants a little edged confidence on the mean streets and has little in the way of experience with knife-fighting or martial arts. Also for people who want non-lethal force. I don't recommend carrying any knives for purposes other than utility, but if y9u were going to, the the LaGriffe is the tool for you. A+++, Emerson, and bravo to Fred who has perhaps made the ideal neck knife!

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Thanks for the review Chiro. I handled these at Emerson's booth at the Blade show and have been thinking about getting one ever since then. I am also not a neck knife man. However, your review may have pushed me over the edge and I will probably purchase one in the near future.
 
One small correction:

Most of Fred Perrin's "Griffes" are made by stock removal, not by forging.

I own both forged and stock removal knives from Fred, and either way you can't go wrong.

I highly recommend the originals.

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Well if it is REALLY sharp then I definitely need one. The reason I use Critical Mass is I had just been watching Trinity and Beyond, before I stopped lurking and finally signed up on the forums. So, CM refers to that amount of mass at which highly radioactive elements begin self fission, go figure!
 
Thank you Chiro !

Fred is now going to a knife festival in Notron but when he will be back I will show him that review and I know he will be VERY HAPPY !!!

These days he's carrying an Emerson version and he has knoted some string to add some thickness to the handle.
He really enjoys it !

Has you have noticed it, the concept of the LA Griffe worked for martial artists or for mothers in law.
Both will find a way to defend theirself with it with ease.

BTW the steel on Fred custom La Griffe is 1075.

You can easily find some by writing to Fred or to contact Laci Szabo.
(You can contact me !)

Cheers,

JM


 
Hey Chiro,

You see what you're doing here? You're conspiring w/ these knifemakers to get all my money! Comparing your review to the one about the Ti version, I've decided that, when I'm "allowed" by my girlfriend, I'll go for the steel version instead. So you're planning on making a multi-carry sheath system? Would that include an IWB option? And...how much would that be going for? Oh yeah, where'd you get the knife and how much did you pay? And since I'm already here, how long did it take you Ti Tiger to get in? About a week, right? I'm so anxious! Back to the La Griffe, how are you planning on carrying it? I was personally thinking IWB on hotter days and SOB during those dreary, cold days of Seattle. Cordwrapping the handle for a bit of a better grip? And finally, did you try Parker's (fellow forumite) test of a hanging paper plate? I was thinking that might be a pretty realistic simulation of a "get the hell away from me" cut. If so, how was the efficiency of the hawksbill (guthook effiecieny or might as well have a straight blade)? I'm thinking if the slash was good, you could realistically slice into a fairly thick sweatshirt, a pair of jeans, etc. making a deep enough cut to make the jerk think twice W/O severely damaging any important muscles (hey, sometimes I'm not in the mood to punish a guy). I think you mentioned something about this and its legal interpretations.
 
Hey, Thrawn, sorry if all this is threatening you to go into bankruptcy! I ordered my Titanium Tiget on Thursday, I believe, and I received it yesterday (Tuesday). I took a risk and emailed my credit card number to Newt, which probably wasn't the best idea in the world, but....anyway, that knife is a good collector's item, but absolutely useless for anything but its intended purpose, which isn't a dig against it, just a statement of fact.
As far as the sheath idea, I hadn't considered IWB. I mainly make my sheaths for vertical, neck, and horizontal carries (which would include SOB and crossdraw). Generally I need to use two clips for the vertical/horizontal and IWB options because of the contours of the sheath, but the La Griffe lies so flat that I could probably get away with using one, which would also then give even more carry options. If I had to do an entire new sheath for it, I would have to make one and see how long it takes, etc before coming up with a price. I have been asked not to use the non-commercial forums to give prices out, so I can only say that it would be less than $25, I would assume. Looking at the stock sheath, however, it looks like there is JUST barely enough room to drill a couple holes and sneak the scres I need in to modify the existing sheath. If this is the case, then you're looking at a little money for the clip with various options drilled in and the cost of shipping (a couple bucks).
It's tough to say if a mod is viable or not, and I really am not overly interested in drilling up my current sheath. If there is enough interest in something like this, I can do a copy of the sheath with the same dimensions from scraps and see if there is enough room to drill around that rivet holding it together. The clip would be the way to go because the stock sheath is just fine IMHO. I really think the clip mod would work, but you'd still have to send the sheath in to have it drilled, unless you want to do it yourself from my modifications...

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You know, when I was talking about IWB carry for the Ti Tiger, I got this review mixed up w/ it. Oh well, two small, thin knives deserve a good concealed carry system. Anyway, I think I'll get one of these, too. I e-mailed Newt my credit card #, too, and if you ordered yours on Thursday and got it yesterday (or you on the West coast), then that means I should get mine tomorrow. Cool! I really like the hawksbill design, it's got that pulling effect, which I'm sure you're familiar w/ by now. How'd you say you'd be carrying this thing again?
 
Thrawn, I am carrying mine with the neck cheath it came with. I have worn it all day for the last couple and not one person has noted it. It is very low profile and much more comfortable for me to wear because it is a shorter package...when i fold my arms over my chest I notice the Ti Tiger can lever up and stick out from my chest, giving away the fact that something is there. There is less chance of doing this with the LaGriffe.
Also, though, I do not plan on ever using the LaGriffe, and even if I find myself in a situation where using it may be warranted I have to be VERY careful as I am soon to be a member of a profession that has national and state licensure and my actions are closely scrutinized. Using a knife in any situation would be a big mistake for me. PLus, I never find myself in said situations, but the knife is still cool all the same!
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Anyway, if I modifiy or make another sheath, I have two types of carry in mind, although it could be used for IWB, crossdraw, and even vertical carry. My two preferred types would be in the small of the back (SOB) and devising a clip that attaches into a pants pocket and keeps the knife upright at all times toward the lip of the pocket, so when you put your hand in to draw it it is always in the same place.

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On Two Wheels
 
I was looking around on the net and was wondering just where you got your La Griffe. One's for bid starting at $45 on eBay, and at Discountknives, it's $53.50+S&H. I'd prefer to get one under $50. Know where I could get one? Also, is there a way you could attach a clip to it so it could hang vertically from the waistband? Man, there are so many cool ways to carry that thing.
 
Thrawn, I actually traded a few of my sheaths for it. It was a good deal for both parties. I haven't seen them for under $55 + shipping yet. I think it's a bit overpriced, but it's worth it, I guess (or is that an oxymoron???). Anyway as far as the upside-down clip goes, the hole is drilled the same size as the screws I use, I believe. It would only be one hole, though, and it would swivel on the clip. May be a little awkward...

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On Two Wheels
 
I think a clip that swivels is good; it lets you draw with your hand moving in the direction you need to move in from the start, instead of being forced to pull the knife straight out of the sheath first and then change direction. It also lets you position the knife at the best angle for comfort, and it'll automatically swivel to the best angle for fast draw.

It can have a lot of friction, more than enough to keep it from swiveling from its own weight ... too much friction is the least of your worries.

I can't resist pointing out that all licenses are revoked if the holder dies, too, so not using a knife to defend yourself is not necessarily going to save your license.... Continue carrying it.
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-Cougar Allen :{)
 
Hello,

Back from Nontron, Fred is enchanted by the review.
He really enjoy Emerson work and the quality of the product !

He used an Emerson and his own La Griffe in tandem these days.

If you want to improve the grip of their La Griffe you can use rubber-O-ring !
Otherwise, the other Griffe Fred carrying these days is a new model named Keychain La Griffe !
A new concept !

Thank you to everybody from Fred about all the attention on his works !

Cheers,

JM
 
Chiro - what do you think about pocket carry for this design? We've emailed a bit about my past attempts with othe knives - latest is a neck peck, but I'm just not thrilled with it for daily utility purposes, although it is nice n'small. Basically what I do is have a kydez sheath that sts in the pocket, held up by a clip a la the average folder. cover sheath exterior in duct tape or moleskin to dampen noise. butt of knife peeks out of pocket for easy access - much faster and surer presentation than a folder. So two questions: (1) do you think the La Griffe is too bulky for pocket carry due to its curved profile? (2) if not, could you manufacture a sheath like this? My stove-melted kydex designs are somewhat lacking in the elegance your work displays. FF

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Fishface, this knife is plenty small for pocket carry, especially if you're wearing sohrts of something with deep pockets (which makes a retention system in the pocket all the more important, in fact). I was paging through a knife book at the bookstore the other day and spotted a very small clip than was nothing more than a fold of Kydex around a heavy-duty safety-pin (like the type used to pin cloth diapers on like when I was a kid). It was probably meant for upside-down carry of some sort, but my idea was to put it at the tip end of the LaGriffe sheath then pin it in the pocket. That way the handle can ride as high in the pocket as you want, and it would stay upright and ready to draw at all times. I'm not sure how well this would work at all, but it's an idea you can play with. For you guys who want sheaths for multicarry for the LaGriffe, I can probably make several simply from scraps on the floor. All I'd charge you is a little labor for making the clips, finishing the sheath, and postage, of
course. It's something to think about, at least. If Emerson had just made their sheath slightly larger I could modify that one, but I don't think there's enough space to drill holes with decent strength.

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On Two Wheels
 
Safety-pinning a sheath in the pocket works well. I put a safety-pin on the side rather than the bottom of the holster I made for my mini-revolver and it holds it, and a NAA mini is heavier than a LaGriffe.

I think if you put the safety-pin on the bottom the sheath might end up flopping over upside-down, though -- put it on the side instead.

-Cougar Allen :{)
 
Hello,


Sometimes Fred put a velcro behind his kydex sheath...

Cheers,

JM
 
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