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RVW: Livesay Titanium Tiger

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I was wandering around on Newt Livesay's webpage the other day and a new addition caught my eye: limited issue titanium knives. Just for giggles I checked it out and ended up ordering a Titanium Tiger neck knife for $22. My interest was mainly as a collector and to see how the knife looks/performs as I have no experience with titanium in cutting tools.
I receieved the knife a few days later and thought it was worth reviewing for interested parties. The full specs can be found at Newt's webpage, but the knife is about 5.5" inches long overall with a 2-3" cutting edge ground as a modified tanto chisel grind. The knife has a paracord handle wrap and the thickness is less than 1/8". It is shaped very simply and probably took about ten minutes to grind, at least if it was steel that's about how long it would take. The knife is stamped "Newt Livesay T" and has all the crud on the surface from heat-treatment. It comes with a very simple glued-shut Kydex sheath that works really well and is of 0.060" material for the lowest profile that could be expected. Sheath is nicely done and super simple.
This knife is designed to be a one-time-only backup knife, and as such has features based with that duty in mind. Titanium is very flexible to begin with, and add to that the thinness, and you have a knife about as flexible as two credit cards stacked on each other. It is super-light and has a very low-profile making it very concealable. I suppose since the sheath has no metal holding it together and titanium can generally pass through normal metal detectors that Newt designed this to go into places it shouldn't... the point is super thin and very sharp, and the modified tanto edge supports a stab-and-run mentality.
Some neck knives have the potential to be used for some light utility work, but being that the Ti Tiger is titanium (poor edge-holding) and so flexible, as well as its geometry and grip, it is virtually useless for anything other than stabbing someone and getting the heck out of dodge. I assume it would do this job very well, although the thinness of the blade would mean a soft target would be imperative.
I think this is a good knife if you keep that purpose in mind, but even then, I have had no problems wearing my Emerson LaGriffe (probably the best choice for a self-defense neck knife available) or my REKAT Fang all dat, and they have the ability to be sharpened and used for odd jobs if needed. They are almost as low profile and not a whole lot heavier. The Newt knife is interesting and should make a good collector's piece, but given a choice between it and one of the steel knives I mentioned, then they would be better choices.

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Palmer College of Chiropractic
On Two Wheels
 
Very nice review Chiro. almost ordered one myself but just so many other things I want I decided to save my money. Kind of glad i did because if it won't function in the utility mode the blade is somewhat useless to me. Thank you though for the nice review.

Not to get off topic but one of the things I am now more interested in is AKI machetes thanks to you
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. Which one are you getting? I will be looking forward to your review.

thanks and take care
collin
 
Hi, Collin....don't get me wrong, the Ti Tiger will function with the one purpose in mind quite adequately, but for anything else it is pretty much unusable. Titanium is a poor choice for a using knife, anyway, especially that thin. Newt made these knives on government contract and as I said, he did a good job with the purpose of desperation and concealment in mind. I didn't expect a using knife, but many people expect dual function. IMHO, neck knives are one of the genres to avoid when looking for a utility knife...
Anyway, Ross said he was mailing the machete yesterday, so i expect it to be here within a week. I'll take a while with it to evaluate it, of course. I am getting the one with a flat spine...

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Palmer College of Chiropractic
On Two Wheels
 
Nice review Chiro. That is a little disappointing that the Ti Tiger is strictly self defense. Is the flexibility of the blade a bit of a problem, with regards to it's ability to penetrate a well protected target (like a fairly thick jacket or even jeans)? Also, if you were to somehow get the thing stuck in some idiot's bone or something, would it snap off (I know, you can't give me an EXACT answer, so I'll assume you'll come up w/ some sort of simulation)? It sounds like a sick kinda question, but I prefer to stab rather than slash, and if somehow I transition from a poke to a checking slash, and got the Ti stuck in the guy's chest (a result of bad aim, or just trying to be fancy) would my transition slash break the knife off? How long did it take you to dull the edge? Get rid of the finish yet? Too many questions? Well here's more: IWB carry would sound like a pretty cool set-up (commensurate w/ your SOB, crossdraw, and other forms of carry) seeing as how it's so thin. I would expect the wrap to be kinda sloppy, I'm going to redo mine to my preferences. Anyway, see you on your review of the La Griffe.
 
I am not sure if titanium is more prone to bending or breaking. The knife is intended to be a stabber, and you'll see that big time when you open the package from Newt. This knife is not for slashing! Even as a stabber, though, it is far from ideal because there is nothing keeping your hand from sliding up the blade. There is a tiny finger notch, but I think the ide behind it is for indexing the blade and retaining it in the Kydex, not for preventing any hand sliding. This knife, like I said, is a last-ditch knife. I think the intent is to use it when there is absolutely nothing else to use as any sort of weapon, no way of escape, etc, and even at that I think it is meant to be stabbed into someone and left there while you run your ass off! My other neck knives could be resheathed and re-used, but I don't think this knife is meant for anything except the one stab to gain you a window of escape. IF there was something else in mind, I think it is a very poor design, but then again, Newt made it on
government contract, so go figure!
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I think Newt's knives have proven he is a good designer and maker of using knive, so it's not like he can't make a good knife. This one simply has one purpose in mind and that's that. Considering it is a limited run, I will probbaly leave mine the way it is and offer it up for auction in a year or two. We'll see!

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Palmer College of Chiropractic
On Two Wheels
 
Hey Chiro, the blade certainly looks well designed for its one purpose. I didn't doubt that. Newt designs all of his knives for a purpose and they are ussually very capable of filling that purpose. He very good at concealment. I have his Air Assualt and it has a wonderful design and kydex sheath.
When I buy a knife its for utility first and defense last. Heck even if I did buy a defense knife I wouldn't have the first idea to use it efectively.
For me neck knives make great utility knives. First off they are easy to cary and most people don't notice them. As well they are perfectly sutited for the small tasks I need a knife for. Lastly, most of the people I know find them cute and safe especially when compared to the normally large blades I buy.
As foar as tiatium goes in a utility blade. Well, they are great around the ocean and are some of the best pry bars around. I also wouldn't bet that blade would brak to easily from what I know of Ti. I would guess it would bend first.
I talked to Mr. Aki about his machetes. Has a great passion for them and some unique grinds.

thanks and take care
collin
 
I think that we sometimes get a little carried away with the self defense aspects. How many of us will ever have to actually use something like the Ti Tiger in the manner it was intended for? Probably none. These are last ditch knives which were probably intended for non magnetic signature escape kits.

Purpose built knife.
 
Aaaagghhhh! Need my knives! UPS has a sick sense of humor! Hopefully they'll come today, I definitely don't want to wait till Monday. You know what sucks? In Seattle, you can't carry fixed blades for self defense or any other reason unless you have a profession that specifically requires one. On the other hand, you can carry a folder w/ a 3 1/2" blade for self defense and get no flack! What the hell's up w/ that? Is it b/c folders take longer to open? Whatever. Check this out, though, the Seattle City Council's reasoning for this is that b/c so much knife-related crime occurs in the city, it is a nessecary precaution to try to limit this via laws. They go on to say that even though this may impair a citizen's abilty to defend him/herself, it is for the overall greater good. Okay, like criminals are going to obey the law--that's why they're called "criminals!" On the other hand, if I carry a fixed blade for self-defense, that makes me a criminal, too, even though I'm just covering my a$$ in case the real bad guys show up. What? Ti Tiger? Oh yeah...uh, I forgot what I was going to say.
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