S&W Knives

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After buying and using a number of "bargain" knives, just for the heck of it, I've come to the conclusion that S&W knives have a bad rap.

At the bottom of the bargain heap is...can I have the envelope, please? And the winner is Gerber's Paraframe and some of their other knives [applause], which were unable to defeat many taped packages and blister pacs. The quality of blade steel ranks at the very dredges of the barrel, and the company brilliantly hides the blade steel behind such euphemisms as "400-series" or the dreaded "surgical stainless."

After that comes some of the new CRKT knives with blades made from AUS4. The company never distinguished which models had the newer AUS4 and the older AUS6. I have new knives, such as the M16-13Z (a once great knife for the price; it sported an AUS6 blade and was a comfortable knife to carry and use). Even the newer models made of junk steel could be sharpened. They just never stayed sharp. It was too bad these better-than-average knives were junked with nothing to distinguish the old ones from the new.

Which brings us to Smith & Wesson. My first knife was an aluminum Extreme Ops with a 440C blade that proved to be better than expected. It was five or six bucks and it proved to cut much better than the above knives. It could be easily opened with a flick of the wrist without touching the disc openers. Clearly a bottom-tier knife, it actually cut and sharpened far outside of its class. It still rides with me when I expect to do some dirty cutting that might mar better knives.

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Then there are two knives that S&W clearly intended to sell for much more than the five bucks I paid for them at SMKWs. They now sell for a bit more, but I picked up a bunch of them to give away and found myself actually liking them. One is the company's Magnesium Extreme Ops (below). Mine was the original series and sported a magnesium grip and a 440C blade. It flipped open easily, cut very well, held an edge and sharpened with no problem.

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Then there were the Hawkbills. These were very well constructed with very nice 440C blades and a solid weight. They originally sold for $86 and came in serrated and plain edges. They perform very well and they hold their edges. The serrated blades do very well for a number of cutting jobs, especially tougher ones.

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The bottom line is that some S&Ws can be a bargain. As the quality of some of the other knives slip, and as some of the better quality S&Ws become available at cheaper prices, they offer better blade steel and overall value. I know they have a less than stellar reputation, but I thought I'd ask if anyone else has had either good or bad experiences with these knives.
 
I have several S&W liner/frame locks and a couple assisted openers by them. Have found them all to be fine knives that will take a good edge (with some extra honing) and seem to hold up well (so far). Would buy others by them, even though these are all made in China. They are good, cheap users, but IMHO certainly not collectors items.

Rich
 
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I have a S&W linerlock.......it's a border patrol....special ops....err, not sure. too lazy to go through the knife box. Anyhow, it is a damn good knife. One of my best flippers. Good blade profile and grind. Paid $12 on a Big 5 sale day.

But, that knife got me to buy about three other S&W knives that turned out to be pure rubbish. :thumbdn:
 
A couple of years ago I picked up a couple of S&W slipjoints to give a inexpensive Christmas presents to my secretary's grandsons -- and when they came in was pleasantly surprised that they seemed like halfway decent knives for the price. Since then I've ordered three or four more just to keep in my vehicles or the desk drawer for string cutting and box opening chores. I'd never pick them as my first choice for a heavy use knife, but for the $10.00 or so I paid for 'em they come in handy to stash around the house.
 
I still think they're outperformed in every price category. For $86, I'd rather have a Spyderco hawkbill. For around $10, I'd rather get a Sanrenmu.
 
I still think they're outperformed in every price category. For $86, I'd rather have a Spyderco hawkbill. For around $10, I'd rather get a Sanrenmu.

I think that when you buy a S&W knife, you are buying a Sanrenmu.
 
S&W knives get a bad rap because they are overpriced for the quality. IMO, the designs, steel, and construction are all indicative of a $5 to $10 knife, not $30 to $50.

I still think they're outperformed in every price category. For $86, I'd rather have a Spyderco hawkbill. For around $10, I'd rather get a Sanrenmu.
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I agree wholeheartedly. It's ok to have one or two S&W knife in your collection, but fancying after them makes little sense when there are much better knives out there.
 
I bought a couple of the "Extreme Ops" model a few year ago. Certainly not top of the line, or even low middle. I use them when losing one wouldn't annoy me for more than a few minutes. I did have to locktite all those tiny torx screws. Two or three sizes on one knife? What were they thinking
 
I think that when you buy a S&W knife, you are buying a Sanrenmu.

Good point lol. Although Sanrenmu recently has added features like carbon fiber inlays and fileworked lockbars that make them more enticing at the bottom price point than options like Taylor Cutlery IMO.
 
Don’t buy too many Smith’s, but a couple years ago I bought one of the fixed blade search and rescue models. The edge grind was so uneven it was practically blunt at the tip.

I set to re-profile it and emailed Taylor brand about the issue. They got back to me right away apologized and asked if I’d be willing to ship then the knife and of course they’d reimburse me for the shipping and what I paid for the knife (essentially buy back the defective product).

I declined as I had already reground the edge and was rather impressed with hardness of the 440c and the edge it was taking. They apologized again for the inconvenience and asked for my mailing address anyway and sent me another knife of the same model that was handpicked from the line with a nice and even edge. It held up rather well to everything I’ve put it through (including battoning and even some throwing).

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No real experience with their folders.

-sh00ter
 
I have a Smith and Wesson "homeland security" liner lock I bought years ago on ebay for $12. I used it hard at work for years. The blade is super loose now, and it did tend to go dull pretty quickly. I feel like I got my moneys worth for 12 bucks, but I wouldn't buy one again.
 
I don't know who makes them, but as the quality of other knives goes down, S&W knives become better bargains. True, the ones that had retail prices of $86 aren't going to command those prices from people like us...and apparently others...but when you can get a decent quality knife for five or six bucks, who's going to complain? Especially those who have had the chance to pick up a few of those Hawkbills. The first knife--the aluminum-handled one--was made to be a budget knife; however, it got pretty favorable reviews from the people who bought them. I clip mine to my pajamas because it's light and dependable. For more formal wear, I carry a Cold Steel 5-inch Voyager with a plain edge. I occasionally carry the Hawkbill as a backup knife and although I don't use the Magnesium, I have looked at its construction and am impressed with it. It also feels great in the hand. I just have no use for a blade size that small, especially with serrations. But it would make a great "first" knife for kids or even adults. It's far and away better than anything they'd find at most hardware stores. It also is great to have in your drawer if you like to collect all sorts of knives. I remember well the days before I had a knife. If someone had given me a Hawkbill or Magnesium, I would have been a friend for life. The aluminum Extreme Ops, while not constructed to the same standards, still has a decent 440C blade and seems to hold an edge very well.

I got this HST tanto for thirty bucks from SMKW while they had them for that price. I think it must have been wrong because after I ordered seven of them, and friends ordered them, the company upped the price to $40, which was, I think, the correct price. It's a bit of a prybar, but I gave one to an avid camper and it's turned into his primary "everything" knife. It's a slab of 440C steel with hard G10 handle (grips). It's not my choice for a fixed blade knife, but again, it was a bargain for $30 and not a bad buy for $40 at all. If I didn't have one, I'd buy one at the increased price, though it wouldn't replace my Recon Tanto. The HST (Homeland Security Tanto) is unbreakable, and it chops, cuts and punctures just about anything you need chopped, cut or punctured.

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My first knife as a kid was a slipjoint Boy Scout knife. It was a piece of junk and I cut myself badly when it stuck into a piece of wood I was cutting. The blade snapped back and decided to close while my hand was in the way and that's when I developed a deep, and I mean deep, hatred of slipjoint knives. I still despise them. Since then, lock integrity means a lot to me when buying a knife.

The aluminum Extreme Ops has a mediocre liner lock, but the other two S&W knives I mentioned have excellent locks.

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I was given a S&W and gave it back.:barf: What a POS. You couldn't pay me to carry that crap.
 
I have an old MAGIC folder that i honestly have nothing bad to say about from a fit&finish perspective.
And i'm sitting here with my new SWATLB model slicing up an empty salt box and the 4034 mold steel seems to work just fine. I can certainly notice that it lacks that little extra something that most nine billion dollar crucible party tickle steels have though.
Taylor cutlery can make decent knives in my experience.
I still think most of their designs are freakin crazy, but i guess i can say that about most knife companies when i think about it. Crazy sells!
 
My S&W auto knife has not let me down. I EDC it when on duty and it gets pretty rough use. It has some battle scars and I tighten the pivot occasionally. Other than that, no issues.
 
Well, they are hit or miss, mostly miss.

I EDC'd one of these for a long time when I just got started into knives
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and for 16 bucks I am satisfied with the 440C blade on this:

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But yeah most of their other stuff is crap.

I agree with the poster that they are outclassed at each price range. They particularly like to live in the 40 dollar range.. which the Tenacious, many Kershaws, the 110, and CRKT dominates.

The new Voyagers are going to be in that range too.. Triad lock + CS heat treat AUS-8 + FFG clip point is very high value.




One more thing, their favorite steel, 4034, is .43 to .50% Carbon and 12.5 to 14.5% Chromium, which would translate to some very low quality edge retention. It is kind of a mystery to me, because it performs better than you would expect at that kind of carbon content. I guess composition wise it is similar to 420HC or AUS4, and Buck does a great heat treat on 420HC, so maybe S&W does a decent HT
 
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I was given a S&W and gave it back.:barf: What a POS. You couldn't pay me to carry that crap.
Ummm...and what model was this POS? I don't disbelieve you, but there are many models and types out there. It wouldn't be fair to buy a Böker Magnum and criticize the entire company because it was junk. One of the worst knives I ever bought was a Magnum Urban Tank -- which had a bad lock, an offset 440A blade that couldn't be sharpened and a heavy steel frame. It was worse than any S&W I've ever seen, but I can't say Bökers are garbage.

I imagine that different companies make various models of S&W knives, and I've seen some pretty awful S&W models, but most of them were priced accordingly. But I think we need to talk about models rather than criticize the entire company. I'm a Cold Steel fan and freely admit it, but I don't like everything the company makes.

I'm also curious under what circumstances you were given the knife. Did you give it to someone else or did you give it back to the person who gave it to you? Was it new when you got it? And on what basis did you determine it was a POS? Construction? Blade material, grind? Fit? Finish? All of the above?

Again, you might be right on, but to call the entire company "crap" seems a bit unfair.


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Although comparatively few people would pay the original $86
price, many would consider it a bargain for $7-$12.


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i got a homeland security knife a while back and ultimately gave it to my brother because he was in love with it, but it is like someone stated above, virtually indestructible and dam sturdy chopper/batoner
 
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