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Yes......the people who thought the world was flat were relying on their "real life" experiences, too.

Sometimes science has to help us with our prejudices.

;)
 
BG42EDGE said:
Yes......the people who thought the world was flat were relying on their "real life" experiences, too.

Sometimes science has to help us with our prejudices.

;)
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Wasn't it the ones who actually got out into field that discovered that it wasn't really flat? They were the ones with the real life experiences, not the so called scientists of the day.
 
BG42EDGE said:
Yes......the people who thought the world was flat were relying on their "real life" experiences, too.

Sometimes science has to help us with our prejudices.

;)
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Are you really using science helping with your prejudice against S30V? You said it was marginally better than 420HC. Do you think Buck runs on marginally?

CATRA says S30V is 45% better than 420HC . Maybe its just what ones idea of marginal is.

At least some of us have tried and field tested and come up with improvements that work for us.
 
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Naturally, we must note that 45% better is way different from the 600% better (or actually an infinite percentage better, since JB said the knife was still razor-sharp after the test--we could believe it could go on forever staying razor-sharp from a test that never had any impact on the sharpness).

I mentioned the problem with CATRA above--how would the two steels do on a test that included some cutting of hard objects as well as soft?
 
Wasn't it the ones who actually got out into field that discovered that it wasn't really flat? They were the ones with the real life experiences, not the so called scientists of the day.
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Actually, the answer to your question is no.

A great man--scientist, mathematician and librarian named Eratosthenes not only knew the earth was round in 240 BC--he actually calculated its circumference.

:)
 
BG42EDGE said:
I mentioned the problem with CATRA above--how would the two steels do on a test that included some cutting of hard objects as well as soft?
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You mean like THIS kind of cutting...OAK
 
Was this test just bark-peeling?

I'd like to see some cutting that would require pressure on the edge in cutting hard substances. Slicing off bark does not put a lot of pressure on a fine edge.

I have a theory that Buck's "Edge 2000" is at least partly a result of an attempt to get the best CATRA results possible.

Think about that.

Could that have left us with edges so thin that they are more vulnerable to chipping, flattening, bending, crushing, etc. than the old knives used to be?

So they're great as long as you don't use them too hard? Is this why people are saying things like, "I was careful not to hit any bone."

Just a thought.

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BG42EDGE said:
Actually, the answer to your question is no.

A great man--scientist, mathematician and librarian named Eratosthenes not only knew the earth was round in 240 BC--he actually calculated its circumference.

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Perhaps, but it was still only a theory until proven by those who actually went out "in the field" to test the theory.

In the case of the S30V, there are those who have taken it into the field and proven, at least to their own satisfaction, that if anything, the lab results were too conservative and that the steel performed better than advertised.
 
the lab results were too conservative and that the steel performed better than advertised.
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As long as you pamper that edge by not hitting any hard substance like bone?

;)
 
BG ... Not just bark. I was slicing off long strips to reduce the dia. Cutting with the grain.
 
A great man--scientist, mathematician and librarian named Eratosthenes not only knew the earth was round in 240 BC--he actually calculated its circumference.
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but it was still only a theory until proven by those who actually went out "in the field" to test the theory.
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Actually, based on the criteria he used to calculate the circumference, the world HAD to be round. There was no other explanation for his results.

It's a popular misconception that educated people thought the world was flat until the time of Columbus. Not true.

The Chinese were an interesting exception to this......they had some strange ideas about astronomy--but the Western World knew the facts at the time of the early Greek scholars.
 
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BG ... Not just bark. I was slicing off long strips to reduce the dia. Cutting with the grain.
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Slicing does not put as much pressure on the edge as a straight cut into a hard substance.

I think testing could be improved a lot by adding some phases to the CATRA.
 
Whatever criteria is used in lab testing, I will still take the word and recommendation of actual users over the word and recommendations of those who only use lab results to form their opinions.
 
Actual users who pamper the edges to get their results?

its done at least 14 deer(not all mine)I managed to not cut into bones....
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Ok,

That's enough of your garbage in this thread BG! You are single handedly killing the Buck forum with all of your negativity at everyone. I hope the forum moderators do something about it soon! Thanks for ruining this thread for all the great people who come here to talk about knives and not argue, sorry folks....enough is enough...this one is now locked.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/836925-A-second-time-around
Folks please read the last post in this thread.
now read this thread and tell me who it's about?
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/834885-An-apology

jb4570
 
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