S30V is better than 440A…how come?

Originally posted by allenC
According to Spyderco's website, S30V is hardened to 58-59, which is the same hardness as Spyderco's AUS-8.
And it's only slightly harder than Spyderco's AUS-6 (57-58).

At least the S30V is better than the 440V that Spyderco was using--it was only hardened to 56-57, even softer than the AUS-6.

Hardness is only one factor in edge retention. To put it in real world terms, when my wife carried a knife with an 8A blade, I had to sharpen it every two months or so. Her Spyderco Native (S60V) went 18 months before its first sharpening. Even after 18 months, it still cut fine, just wouldn't shave. I only sharpened it because I was bored.

I have a few knives in S30V -- Simonich Mid-Tech Crowfoot, Scott Cook Lochsa, and a folder from Jason Jacks. So far, S30V looks to be a very good steel. As thombrogan pointed out, it can be hard to sharpen, but it's easy to touch up.
 
Hardness doesn't necessarily mean better edge retention.Wear resistance is key.S30V and S90V can and do get heat treated to 59-60 by many makers and factories.I find as does Spyderco and many others that these alloys tend to be too brittle and frail at 59-60 Rc they tend to chip easily and the edge has a tendancy to crumble at these hardnesses.They are great blade materials but optimum performance is derived from a lesser Rc.Due to the great wear resistance of these alloys 55/58 is proven to work better.
I also find that S30V holds a great medium edge but is unimpressive in maintaining a super sharp edge.
 
Originally posted by KenOnion
I also find that S30V holds a great medium edge but is unimpressive in maintaining a super sharp edge.

What's a steel that holds a super sharp edge very long, then?

Just curious :)

-jon
 
Cowery Y ,is really impressing me for it's fine edge,edge retention.Plus I can get it sharper than anything else.Very tight grain structure.S30V does hold a great edge and I'm definately not bad mouthing it.It just excels at it's medium edge ,edge retention due to the vanadium carbide size which is finer than most any other knife steel with vanadium in it.
IMO most of the super steels have very little difference in fine edge edge retention and .
I notice that how a knife is heat treated ,ground and sharpened has as much to do with how well it will cut,hold it's fine edge or perform in general as it does the choice of the super steels. 440-C,ATS-34,VG10,ATS-55,BG-42 will cut almost identically if they are processed the same. The noticeable differences are in the areas of toughness ,strength,corrosion resistance,impact resistance. Also some of these steels excel in cutting flesh as oposed to abrasive products like card board . Some steels are slipprier(sp) than others and create less drag than do others when cutting. The dividing lines are very thin when comparing comparable steels and most of the retoric is nothing more than an opinion based on little information.Or a prejudice against a steel for bad performance when the real culprit was the grind,design or geometry of the knife.
I didn't add the powder metal in with the afore mentioned steels as they are in a category of there own S60,S90,S30 are superior than the previously mentioned alloys due to how they are made powder metal is denser and tighter grained than hot rolled.However the dividing line isn't as big as you might think .And in some instances a blade made from the other alloys is prefered.

When all things are in harmony with one another,alloy,heat treatment ,grind ,geometry,edge,design,symetry,The resulting Knife is a thing of awe from a visual standpoint as well as a using stand point.To place to much emphasis on any one of these areas and not enough of another will result in a flawed product.
 
Ken,

Thanks for the overview. It's always good to hear the voice of experience and reason. :)

-jon
 
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