S30V is killing me

Jason B.

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my first S30V knife a kershaw spec bump is just being a pain in the A@#. I try my best but it hard to keep the angle it seems that i am missing .001 at the very edge but i can't see it until I strop. When i am sharpening i can feel the burr working from side to side so i think i am keeping the same angle. I sharpen with a single bevel (not a fan of a double) using spyderco pro files. It gets very sharp with no edge burr but feels dull until you shave or cut something is this normal and are the sharpmaker files longer than the pro files.
 
I'm not sure that that would be the fault of S30V, but that it's a recurved knife.(And an drastically curved one too)
It's not the easiest to keep edges exact on the curves, in fact, I won't even own one for that reason. Try the marker trick?
 
Try taking a 1/2'' dowel and wrapping it with some 1200 grit carbide wet/dry paper and using it as a sharpening stick...does the trick :D
 
By single bevel, do you mean to say you are not applying a micro-bevel?

I've sharpened S30V only once, but I think I remember that I could not get a very sharp edge without resorting to a micro-bevel.
 
I tried a micro bevel on a knife the other day. it was the first one i ever performed in 15+ years of knife sharpening but i am not about to change my ways now. It is the hardest knife i have ever sharpened but the edge geometry makes for a great cutter.
 
I tried a micro bevel on a knife the other day. it was the first one i ever performed in 15+ years of knife sharpening but i am not about to change my ways now. It is the hardest knife i have ever sharpened but the edge geometry makes for a great cutter.

Invest a few bucks ands get a Harbor Freight 1x30 inch belt sander. You could sharpen a crowbar to a shaving edge with this thing.:D
 
It should not feel dull, and if the burr is flopping around you need to cut it off. There are a number of ways to do it. I would suggest to try Clark's elevated angle first and if that does not work then cut right into the edge directly.

-Cliff
 
I sharpen with a single bevel (not a fan of a double) using spyderco pro files. It gets very sharp with no edge burr but feels dull until you shave or cut something is this normal and are the sharpmaker files longer than the pro files.

I suggest you have two problems:
1) Reliably cutting off a wire edge usually requires 3 to 5 degrees additional taper per side of the edge.
2) The spyderco Pro files are very fine slow-cutting grit, producing a final finish quality similar to CrO-stropping. Without compound bevels, they will tend to produce a polished wire-edge.

I appreciate that you are not a fan of compound-angle edges, but a 5 degree-per-side microbevel is usually a reliable method to remove a wire edge. A lot of folks, who have no specific intent to produce a micro-beveled edge, wind up with a micro-bevels after burr/wire-edge removal.

Most of my folders are compound edges with 10 degree main bevels and 15 degree microbevels. For touch-ups on the micro-bevels, I often use the white side of the Spyderco DoubleStuff stone - producing a finely polished edge biased toward push-cutting, with final edge finish quality similar to yours.

Suggested progression:
- Coarse-grit stone or sandpaper for main bevel profiling.
- Intermediate-grit stone for removal of grind-marks/scratches.
- Just a few passes at +3 to +5 degree per side with intermediate stone to cut all wire-edge.
- Use your Spyderco white files to finish the micro-bevels you've created.

One of the nice benfits of micro-beveled edges are ease-of-touchup, since you're grinding much smaller bevels than a single-beveled edge.

Hope this helps!
 
I appreciate that you are not a fan of compound-angle edges, but a 5 degree-per-side microbevel is usually a reliable method to remove a wire edge.

If this really bothers you then you can use Clark's method and then go back and reset the origional edge.

-Cliff
 
wire edge is a new term for me and i guess its the same as a burr. I just tried a micro-bevel and it seemed to do the trick but its still not as sharp as my emerson's.
 
The steel is new to you (compared to Ernie's 154CM) as is the particular recurve (though it does seem similar to a 'Commander'), so it could well be a learning curve issue. Persistance and your Pro-Files should get it singing like a canary in no time. A hair-popping canary that glides through cardboard and leather.
 
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