s30v vs. 154cm vs. ZDP189 vs. INFI

[Mr. Clean]

aaaggghhh!!! Don't baton folders!!!!

IT'S NOT ABOUT USING A FOLDER TO BATON!
But since people insist, here's a quote from someone who's opinion I'd trust. The topic was someone needing to find a folder that could be used to baton:

That is correct, and the technique is certainly not abuse in any sense, at least with regards the RSK MkI or any other well constructed reasonably robust folder.

Doug (remote London - COSPAS SARSAT JC Meeting)

I have never had any chipping with any of my Striders in S30V, wonder if its the heat treatment from CRK?

Maybe it's the thickness behind the edge?

 

[John T Wylie Jr]

Taken from manufacturers websites and forum info:
Caly 3 - .125"
Sebenza - .125"
Busse - .140"
Mini Grip - .100"

thanks but those have to be spine thickness , i was curious about the edge thickness ( measure each one the same distance up from the edge if you could ) , if you dont have access to a micrometer that cool.

appreciate the info.

 

[Mr. Clean]

thanks but those have to be spine thickness , i was curious about the edge thickness ( measure each one the same distance up from the edge if you could ) , if you dont have access to a micrometer that cool.

appreciate the info.

Yes you are correct. You know, I agree too, I think that might be beneficial info to have. We have a Harbor Freight nearby, I might grab a mic from there!

 

[donny bee]

I cannot take seriously any" survival exspert" who advocates being able to baton a folder in a survival situation. He may have a fair amount of knoledge, but i wouldnt want him playing "man vs wild" when im around. A man who is not famous once told me a survival knife never leaves the sheath unless absolutely, positively, no way around it, and then maybe; funny how you know the truth when you hear it.

 

[me2]

There are reports of S30V chipping from a couple of manufacturers. It reportedly goes away after a couple of full burr raising sharpenings. I dont have any S30V myself, but I have put some Benchmade 154CM through the ringer and it did fine. If my experience with my Ares is any indication, it responds well to touch up sharpening on the Sharpmaker. I had a new, plain edge blade put in and never had to sharpen it other than the Sharpmaker for the 6 months I carried it. It now rides in my brother's pocket.

 

[Josh K]

There are reports of S30V chipping from a couple of manufacturers. It reportedly goes away after a couple of full burr raising sharpenings. I dont have any S30V myself, but I have put some Benchmade 154CM through the ringer and it did fine. If my experience with my Ares is any indication, it responds well to touch up sharpening on the Sharpmaker. I had a new, plain edge blade put in and never had to sharpen it other than the Sharpmaker for the 6 months I carried it. It now rides in my brother's pocket.

It's been speculated that because most production knives are factory sharpened on belts, (and I'm using the "Chipping in S30V thread for reference), it could be possible that some knives get the edge over heated, and thus they become more brittle and prone to chips.

This brittleness can be removed by sharpening the knife once or twice.

 

[theonew]

IT'S NOT ABOUT USING A FOLDER TO BATON!
But since people insist, here's a quote from someone who's opinion I'd trust. The topic was someone needing to find a folder that could be used to baton:

For about two years some destruction testing of hard use survival blades done by one person has been a major source of controversy here on BF. The arguments regarding these tests have been heated in numerous threads. If one manufacturer's knives had done better in these tests I doubt any of this would be anywhere near as controversial, IMO. In any case, more recently there has been a noticeable, at least to me, backlash that seeks to portray hard use of knives in any context as nothing more than ignorant abuse which will ultimately create unrealistic expectations among less sophisticated users and be bad for the community as a whole. While I don't subscribe to this condescending group think, trends in the knife community seem to vacillate like they do almost everywhere else. Mr. Clean, a year ago I seriously doubt your OP would have generated such strident accusations of knife abuse, more likely just a post or two mentioning that batoning with a folder can be dangerous.

 

[John T Wylie Jr]

It's been speculated that because most production knives are factory sharpened on belts, (and I'm using the "Chipping in S30V thread for reference), it could be possible that some knives get the edge over heated, and thus they become more brittle and prone to chips.

This brittleness can be removed by sharpening the knife once or twice.

speaking of custom knives , most knife makers sharpen using their 2 x 72 belt grinders.

 

[Josh K]

speaking of custom knives , most knife makers sharpen using their 2 x 72 belt grinders.

Yes, but they are also making a custom knife. They've had a lot of sharpening experience, and they aren't doing 100, or 200 knives at a time. They don't mess up as often.

Plus, there have been issues with CRK blades and chipping.

I don't want to beat a dead horse. I was commenting that chipping issues may be caused by a slightly overheated factory edge.

 

[zenheretic]

Mr. Clean, a year ago I seriously doubt your OP would have generated such strident accusations of knife abuse, more likely just a post or two mentioning that batoning with a folder can be dangerous.

People have argued about the negatives of batonning folders on bladeforums for years so I disagree with your presumption.

 

[Mr. Clean]

I was commenting that chipping issues may be caused by a slightly overheated factory edge.

I think there's a lot of truth to this, hence the need (?) to put a 'new' edge on a factory knife. The Sebbie does a lot better now that it's had the tiniest bit of metal removed versus the Griptilian which has had no metal removed. And trust me, athis was not in any way shape or form, abuse.

I also own a high end Japanese chefs knife and the same treatment needed to be done to prevent microchipping.