S35VN a lightweight? PLS CLOSE THREAD

Haze said:
You can approach a machine shop, depending on what they do they may have the equipment for testing hardness though it may not be the Rockwell scale they use. You can also try a factory that deals with heat treating or distribution of metals as they will obviously need the equipment as part of their every day work. I don't know what sort of Universities you have where you live but if you have a technical/engineering school near you they may well be able to help you out too. I'm sure there will be people that can do it localy to you but you can always have it sent out to be tested if not. I'm not sure who the best person would be to ask for that on your side of the pond but someone here must know someone. :):thumbup:

It will leave a small dimple on the blade so ask for it to be done on an area that is covered by the hande if that will bother you. The blade should be through hardened any way so one area will give as accurate a reading as another.
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Thanks Haze - I have a few Universities around, and metal/machine shops should be in abundance.
I'll have to do some research.
 
Now that I've seen that they do HT some of their S35VN to rc55 I guess that makes it a little more plausible that some Sebbie blades got mixed up.

If it did happen I really hope that the customer was treated well and with respect. :)
 
featherstone45 said:
That is interesting and I did not know that..SMI do you know who does CRK HT?
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After talking with Chris himself for a little bit, he said they don't do it in house. But I know it is a company local to them, sent out in batches. Not sure the actual company name as he never mentioned it.
 
Might it be AceCo? They are in Boise, less than 8 miles from CRK. A picture on their web site shows some blades that might be Green Beret.
 
Thanks for posting a picture of the test. I presume the blade was replaced for the guy that had that one, do you know ?

The link doesn't take you to the thread if you don't have an active account with the green place by the way.....
 
The OP updated post to say that Chris called to let them know that he tested the blade at 59 Rockwell. The OP was going to buy a gauge block to test their equipment.
 
bmilleker said:
For anyone curious about the claims regarding the low 50's hardness, the thread is here: http://www.usualsuspect.net/forums/showthread.php?726141-My-thoughts-on-the-Seb-25.

The OP had tested the blade himself and shows proof. I have attached this image. It can be found in the forum linked above as well.
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Toyz said:
The OP updated post to say that Chris called to let them know that he tested the blade at 59 Rockwell. The OP was going to buy a gauge block to test their equipment.
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Thanks for the update Toyz. My first thought was that the guys equipment was off. The OP over at that place will need to recalibrate his equipment. I'm sure CRK's is dead on.
I wish people wouldn't post stuff like he did unless they are 100% sure. I'm not registered over there, but I would think that thread misled some people that believe everything they see on the net.
 
I have knives that range from my CRK Green Beret at around 55 - 57 Rc to my Dan Crotts/Dozier knives at 60 -61 Rc and my Sebenzas at 57 -59 Rc.
They all sharpen just a little differently and I can pretty much figure the hardness of a blade steel by the way it feels to sharpen it.
I'll bet most of the rest of you folks can too.
While this is in no way "gauge accurate" I think I would be able to detect if one of my knives was "off" in a specific hardness.
So far I have not found a problem. I hope that continues.......:)
 
Byjingles man, way to weave a web, eh ? Taking a good pinch of salt is always worth it it seems.....

Ken44 said:
Thanks for the update Toyz. My first thought was that the guys equipment was off. The OP over at that place will need to recalibrate his equipment. I'm sure CRK's is dead on.
I wish people wouldn't post stuff like he did unless they are 100% sure. I'm not registered over there, but I would think that thread misled some people that believe everything they see on the net.
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Ken44 said:
Thanks for the update Toyz. My first thought was that the guys equipment was off. The OP over at that place will need to recalibrate his equipment. I'm sure CRK's is dead on.
I wish people wouldn't post stuff like he did unless they are 100% sure. I'm not registered over there, but I would think that thread misled some people that believe everything they see on the net.
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I am watching that thread closely over there. I really hope that guys equipment is out of spec. I hope he comes back to the thread after calibrating and finds out that it wasn't calibrated correctly and that his blade actually is 59. But, what if his machine is calibrated correctly and comes back with the same result? What if??? I am serious, I am not trying to stir the pot. What if his number is accurate and Chris's answer is a lie? I sure hope that isn't the case! Furthermore, what is causing his edge to deform so badly if the HRC of his blade really is 59? Maybe the problem all along with peoples complaints of CRK running S35VN soft is that Chris's equipment is out of spec? That is pure speculation, disregard if that statement rubs you the wrong way. But the only complain I ever hear about CRK is that the steel is too soft. I did notice that on my insingo but I wasn't using for abrasive materials enough for it to be a bother. I haven't cut anything abrasive enough with my 25 to really test the edge. Countless users saying the steel is too soft and countless others (many don't even use most of their CRKs) disagreeing. What is the answer?
 
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The first answer is not to leap to conclusions based on the unfiltered stories that get posted on the internet. ("The plural of anecdote is not data.") ;)

Another answer is that even good shops have strays get out the door occasionally. It's not impossible that a badly HT'ed blade got out the door - it's not something that would necessarily be obvious, except possibly to the person who sharpened the blade, and even then it's not a sure thing. Stuff happens - if it's soft, CRK will replace it. But it strikes me as more likely that the equipment used for this test was out of spec. If not, as I said, no biggie - he should send it in.
 
I agree with what you are saying 100%. The answer from CRK was that it wasn't soft, it tested to 59 on his equipment. I take that as truth and like I said, I really hope the op in that thread comes back and says his equipment was out of spec. But, for the OP that was experiencing edge rolling and dulling (and hence tested his blade on possibly faulty equipment) still has a blade that is experiencing those issues with no other recourse since CRK already made their verdict. CRK did say they would sharpen it, sometimes a fresh edge will fix the issue that the OP in that other thread is experiencing.

Edit: The OP said that there is something wrong with the tester. Although it is testing higher than it should, it is still inaccurate. Also, he is getting the rolling and dulling on Nylon braided PVC. I don't know what it is but it sounds pretty tough.

JNewell said:
The first answer is not to leap to conclusions based on the unfiltered stories that get posted on the internet. ("The plural of anecdote is not data.") ;)

Another answer is that even good shops have strays get out the door occasionally. It's not impossible that a badly HT'ed blade got out the door - it's not something that would necessarily be obvious, except possibly to the person who sharpened the blade, and even then it's not a sure thing. Stuff happens - if it's soft, CRK will replace it. But it strikes me as more likely that the equipment used for this test was out of spec. If not, as I said, no biggie - he should send it in.
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MRaymond said:
I am watching that thread closely over there. I really hope that guys equipment is out of spec. I hope he comes back to the thread after calibrating and finds out that it wasn't calibrated correctly and that his blade actually is 59. But, what if his machine is calibrated correctly and comes back with the same result? What if??? I am serious, I am not trying to stir the pot. What if his number is accurate and Chris's answer is a lie? I sure hope that isn't the case! Furthermore, what is causing his edge to deform so badly if the HRC of his blade really is 59? Maybe the problem all along with peoples complaints of CRK running S35VN soft is that Chris's equipment is out of spec? That is pure speculation, disregard if that statement rubs you the wrong way. But the only complain I ever hear about CRK is that the steel is too soft. I did notice that on my insingo but I wasn't using for abrasive materials enough for it to be a bother. I haven't cut anything abrasive enough with my 25 to really test the edge. Countless users saying the steel is too soft and countless others (many don't even use most of their CRKs) disagreeing. What is the answer?
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MRaymond said:
I agree with what you are saying 100%. The answer from CRK was that it wasn't soft, it tested to 59 on his equipment. I take that as truth and like I said, I really hope the op in that thread comes back and says his equipment was out of spec. But, for the OP that was experiencing edge rolling and dulling (and hence tested his blade on possibly faulty equipment) still has a blade that is experiencing those issues with no other recourse since CRK already made their verdict. CRK did say they would sharpen it, sometimes a fresh edge will fix the issue that the OP in that other thread is experiencing.
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Don't believe everything you read on the web, especially when its about a new blade steel. I know nothing about the thread, but sometimes people get their feelings hurt and try to take it out on the company. Not saying thats the case, but its happened here before.
Chris wouldn't lie about it being 59. He's not the type to do that, and if a company owner did lie about something like that they wouldn't last long. Also, I'm sure Chris knows how to keep his equipment up to spec. He wouldn't win the manufacturers award year after year if he didn't.
 
You will hear no arguments from me on what you wrote. The OP stated in that thread that he was cutting some pretty tough stuff (nylon braided PVC) and that his tester is inaccurate after testing on something with a known HRC. I am glad to see that this is playing out the way that it has.

Ken44 said:
Don't believe everything you read on the web, especially when its about a new blade steel. I know nothing about the thread, but sometimes people get their feelings hurt and try to take it out on the company. Not saying thats the case, but its happened here before.
Chris wouldn't lie about it being 59. He's not the type to do that, and if a company owner did lie about something like that they wouldn't last long. Also, I'm sure Chris knows how to keep his equipment up to spec. He wouldn't win the manufacturers award year after year if he didn't.
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While composing a reply the thread on the other forum was closed. I would like to post it here instead.


DJohnson said:
Nope, he basically told me that he will just sharpen it and send it back. As far as he is concerned there is no problem. He did offer me a refund that I declined.
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I understand that you are dissatisfied with the knife and seem to disagree with the maker as to how and why to rectify the problem. In that case, why did you turn down his offer to make you whole once again?

You also stated that he requested that you go directly to him in the future in order to allow him address your problems before hashing out your issues in a public forum. You then immediately did the opposite. That is your right, of course, but could easily be considered am insult to someone who made a sincere effort to satisfy a customer.
 
stjames said:
While composing a reply the thread on the other forum was closed. I would like to post it here instead.




I understand that you are dissatisfied with the knife and seem to disagree with the maker as to how and why to rectify the problem. In that case, why did you turn down his offer to make you whole once again?

You also stated that he requested that you go directly to him in the future in order to allow him address your problems before hashing out your issues in a public forum. You then immediately did the opposite. That is your right, of course, but could easily be considered am insult to someone who made a sincere effort to satisfy a customer.
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Well said sir!! :thumbup:
 
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