Sad knife incident in USA

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Snowman had posted a sad incident that happened in his country. It is a shame that such evil still happens in this world.

http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum64/HTML/002042.html

In USA we just had a disturbing crime happen also. Springfield, MA.

A few days ago two 11 year old boys (6th graders) had an argument at a movie theater. They saw some slasher movie called Valentine http://valentinemovie.warnerbros.com/#

So, a little school yard type fight occurred. One kid pulled a knife and stabbed the boy in the chest killing him. What is wrong with this picture? When I was that age we beat each other up and were friends again the next week.

This was not posted for any anti-knife assault weapon agenda. The story just bothered me. I was given my first knife on my 9th birthday and will be passing down the same tradition to my children. I think parenting skill come to mind on this one. And yes, I think the media de-sensatizes children to violence.



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This kind of thing scares me for two reasons:
first, a kid killing another kid indicates that the killer is seriously lacking in values and self control; second, this reinforces the idea that a knife is only good for violence and that they have to be kept away from children for their own safety. I had several knives when I was that kids age including a big bowie that I carried into the woods when I went hiking or exploring. The kid ought to be learning how to whittle, hunt, or fish instead of killing other kids. This is so sad. I'm glad I was a kid when I was a kid instead of now.
 
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Makes me wonder where the parents were. We aren't born with morals/values - we learn them. Though I have to admit, killing another person is pretty self-explanatory, as far as morals go. I can't imagine going through life, knowing that I'd killed another kid... Both kids were victims...

I was also given my first knife, as well as my first BB gun and my first rifle, a Winchester .22, before I was 10. To this day, I haven't cut someone else with a knife nor pointed a firearm, even a BB gun, at another person.

This stuff really bothers me. I know isn't not the norm, but this kind of thing was extremely rare when I was young. Now it seems like it's a weekly thing.

I enjoy the action thrillers as much as the next guy, always have. But it didn't lead me to killing my playmates. Sure, the movies now are far more graphic, but the intent behind the action is still the same. Something violent happens and someone dies. That's the important part. If the graphics play a part, its probably just a "kewl" factor. I'd glady give up these movies if it would help, but it won't get rid of the problem.

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Nestor A. Herrera Jr., stabbing victim; at 11

SPRINGFIELD - Nestor A. Nieves Herrera Jr., 11, of 92 Girard Ave., died Saturday at Baystate Medical Center. Police said he was fatally stabbed by another 11-year-old boy after an argument at the Regal Cinemas 16 on St. James Avenue on Saturday evening. Herrera was a sixth-grade student at the Rebecca M. Johnson School. Born in Boonton, N.J., he lived in Arecibo, Puerto Rico, before moving to Springfield nine months ago. He leaves his mother, Caroline Herrera of Springfield; a brother, Neftali Ramirez Jr. at home; and three sisters, Tiffany and Valery Herrera, both of Springfield, and Elinette Nieves of New Jersey. His father, Nestor A. Nieves, predeceased him. The funeral and burial will be in Arecibo. Puerta Del Cielo Funeral Home is in charge of local arrangements.

 

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And yet these two eleven-year-olds had just come from seeing it.

We have Regal Cinema right here in Sherwood, Oregon and I think I'm gonna give 'em a phone call and discuss this with them.


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Actually stabbing is a rather old fashioned tradition. In the tougher schools these days kids just shoot each other. My son found it quaint when we moved to Colorado from California and kids would engage in fights at football games. Back in L.A. if you hastled someone you were risking being shot rather than hit.
 

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Where are the parents?Thats one of the main problems right there.I drive a bus for a living,I rountinely transport kids 8-12 years old on my bus,when I have the Mall run.They have no parent or guardian with them,they go see these movies that are not for that age group.Often I have problems with their behavior on the bus,and they have mouths like sewers at such a young age.I have had these youths talk disrespectful to the older passengers before,sometimes having to have these children removed from my bus when the behavior gets intolerable.I drop them off at the mall,they have no supervision.Why is it the Malls and movie theatres responsability to babysit these uncontrollable,undisciplined little bastids?If I had the authority I would refuse to pick up these kids,but we don't have any policies regulating that type if thing.Unfortunatly I can't refuse to transport them because of having no adult along with them.I've had these kids riding my bus back home from the mall on a school night leaving at almost 10:00 at night.What kind of lowlife parents allow their kids this kind of freedom?It makes me sick,I'll never forget one night a bunch of young teenagers,one with an infant,in awful weather is trappling around the mall and has this poor baby out in the cold and the last bus stop comes after 10:00 p.m. and then this teenager has to stroller the infant God knows how many blocks before they get home.Everyone wants to blame weapons for violence.It's pure and simple a lack of good values and solid family structure with discipline.These same irresponsable parents that are the cause of creating these mindless monsters and murderers are the same people who call for regulations and bans on "weapons"They have failed to raise healthy young youths and have put the blame on inanimate objects and call for senseless legislation,government intervention to smoke screen the real issues.In the meantime all these laws and zero tolerance do not address the cause or solution to the violence of our youth today.I hope I didn't ramble to much,but this kind of stuff really irritates me.It's time to make people of all ages responsible for their actions with swift and stiff penalties,and shed no tear because they are under age.A killer is a killer no matter if he/she is 25 or 12.The parents should be penalized for leaving their young aspiring murderer unattended,maybe a few years up the river for them might rattle some sense into other parents who are irresponsible,before their child gets to the same point.
 

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ONe last comment that I forgot to bring up.Another big reason for the lack of respectful youth is the Government and States going overboard with child protection laws,to a point where a parent cannot even use physical force to discipline their own children.Child abuse is one thing,but a good crack on the backside sometimes does some good,when trying to drive home a point about a behavior problem.The States need to allow parents their right to utilize reasonable discipline in the form of Corporal Punishment.

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Tombstone, Although I am now a college professor, early in my professional life, I worked in public schools, and I have to agree. Unsupervised children have no repsect and often do understand what adults are doing when they try to correct them. Giving kids like this a knife or anything is a recipe for trouble.
 
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This is a sad incident for all of the reasons already given. I have been carrying and using knives since I was 7, and to this day, I would not dream of threatening another person with a knife unless I or another person was being threatedn with equal or greater force.

We were permitted and most of use guys carried pocketknives everywhere, including to school. Some jurisdictions have such severe restrictions on knives that many guys don't even carry anymore. I heard that in Atlanta, GA the maximum legal to carry knive blade length was 1 1/2"!!! Soon it will be illegal to carry a fingernail clipper.

Weird thing is that I once saw a news report where a woman beat her husband with a rolling pin, and I have yet to see a law restricting rolling pins.


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Frank Castle:
Snowman had posted a sad incident that happened in his country. It is a shame that such evil still happens in this world.

http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum64/HTML/002042.html

In USA we just had a disturbing crime happen also. Springfield, MA.

A few days ago two 11 year old boys (6th graders) had an argument at a movie theater. They saw some slasher movie called Valentine http://valentinemovie.warnerbros.com/#

So, a little school yard type fight occurred. One kid pulled a knife and stabbed the boy in the chest killing him. What is wrong with this picture? When I was that age we beat each other up and were friends again the next week.

This was not posted for any anti-knife assault weapon agenda. The story just bothered me. I was given my first knife on my 9th birthday and will be passing down the same tradition to my children. I think parenting skill come to mind on this one. And yes, I think the media de-sensatizes children to violence.

[This message has been edited by Frank Castle (edited 02-06-2001).]
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Actually, a little edit to what went on. It seems the attack was over a feud about a girl. Both liked her, only one could have her thing...but resolved poorly, IMHO.

One kid(victim) was actually going to see "Save The Last Dance" and the other(attacker) was seeing "Valentine". so, they just happened to see each other...or so the papers say. I'll let ya'll know if I find out more.

Also, did you hear(old news maybe, ive been gone a few days) about the man who went into a school and attacked/hurt seven people while wielding a machete? this is really going to start looking bad...
 
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Thanks for the update there Blackwatch. I missed those details. Please let us know if they give this little menace an adult trial. Oh, I forgot its Mass he will get probation.
 
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This is like the sicko who used a butcher knife on a kid in Alexandria, Virginia, last spring. I posted about it. There was a racial aspect to it and the guy had just got out of jail and had been running around threatening to kill white people, but nobody had taken him seriously, even though his previous jail sentence was for a racially motivated assault.

Now we have a freshman student who was slahed to death at Galllaudet College for the Deaf, over in Northeast Washington. The problem with tracking the murderer, and they have had a previous murder in the same dormitory, is that the DC police have only an extremely limited resource for signing police officers to interview the students. The students are p*ssed with the police anyhow because they see the DC police as insensitive to the problems of the deaf. They haven't said what the knife was, but I bet that it will be a steak knife of a kitchen knife. They found it in a trash dumpster out back of the dorm along with a bloody jacket. Interestingly, the jacket apparently had two blood types on it, leading the police to think that the victim must have fought back and injured his attacker. Good for him!

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As far i know they were going to try the "little fella" as a juvenile.
you guys are right,the states and the government have gone overboard,as far as protecting the children, such as a parent not being able to discipline a child for doing something wrong.when I WAS 11 I attended a Catholic school where the sisters
dealt out corporal punishment on a daily basis.so what changed?

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As odd as it sounds, when "The Exorcist" was back in the theatre recently there were at least 30-40 kids there. What really caught my attention was that the majority of them had to be no older than 13. The freaky thing was that it appeared they all had parents with them. What the hell are people thinking nowadays? (maybe it's a lack of thinking?)
The thing that really gets me is that the kids w/o parents are still let in unquestioned by the theatre attendants
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