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Have done most of the last 10 years with my Pioneer in my pocket, and a spartan for 15 plus years before that .
Its always been enough to get me by
Its always been enough to get me by
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And friction folders without blade locks. (Opinel started in 1895 They dd not add the (use optional) ring lock on the size 6 and larger knives until 1955. The size 5 and smaller still don't have the () ring lock.
I never used the ring lock on my Opinel's, so I removed it.
I bought a sheeps foot and a leaf blade non-locking MAM friction folders, too.
Back in the day, folks used their friction folders a heck of a lot "harder" than the folks what "think" they use their modern latest and greatest locking blades "hard".
Friction folders are still popular today. Some custom makers even specialize in them.
(BTW the oldest known friction folder dates to between 600 and 800 BCE.They been around a while.)
The backspring was developed between 1100-1200 CE. No question there were folks who said " BACK SPRINGS?!? DON'T NEED NO STINKING BACK SPRINGS!" (if for no other reason than more "complicated", and more things to potentially break. Sadly, back springs are not immune to breakage, regardless of the knife's price point.)
Blade Locks are not needed, and should never be trusted, anyway.
As long as you are not doing something stupid, such as attempting to cut/slice something with the spine, or stab something, the normal cutting action forces the bkade open; not onto your digits. In the days when frictionfolders were "king" folks were not amputating any of their parts because the blade suddenly closed. And, they used their knives "heavier" than folks use their folding knives today.
The backsprings on a slipjoint have one job: Prevent the blade from partly opening when in the pocket, and flopping partly closed betewen cuts. They are not capable of "locking" a blade open. (if they did, you could not close the blade.) A "nail breaker" pull is not needed, and is more likely to "bite" (especially when combined with a "gator"/"bear trap" snap) than a light pull.
Posts like this make me sad that I can only "Like" a post once!
I have felt this for decades, and having grown up with slip joints long before Buck made the large lockblade a cult, item and my friends all managed to get to adulthood with all our fingers attached. Yes, we may have nicked ourselves starting out, but we never repeated that mistake again.
BUT...;in my life I have twice witnessed the aftermath of a bad accident with a locking blade knife. One, a young guy who had faith his Buck 110 "would take it" amputated his right index finger while doing something stupid because his Great Buck knife was locked open. When the sheet metal shop Forman told him to knock it off and go get the right tool, his smart a$$ reply was "Its a Buck knife, it'll take it." Well, it didn't. Another instance, a late teens kid was practicing stabbing a tree with his new high end tacticool wonder knife and the blade collapsed and did massive damage to his hand. He was on his second operation trying to restore use to the nerve damaged digits that were numb and unresponsive.
I know we have at least two maybe three generations now that have never dealt with slip joints and are spoiled by the one hand wonders the manufactures push. Like you afishhunter, I too love Opinels for their sheer cutting efficiency, and have a number 5 that is my shirt pocket carry. It's been in use for years, yet I have never cut myself with it. Just use it like it was intended and theres not problem. I have a Sardinian Resolza I still carry that is about 15 years old. Great little slicer. No problems. I have a Japanese Higonocami I like, cuts like the dickens, and is also a friction folder like the Opinel, Resolza. But then I still shoot a single action revolver and lever action rifle. Just no hope for me I guess.
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Our ancestors would have happily switched to one hand opening and locking knives had they been available and affordable at the time. When they did become available and affordable they did switch. Using anecdotes of idiots doing idiotic things is not a valid argument against locking knives.
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Don't blame you.
I had a .38 Spcl/.357 Mag double action S&W Number ten for my EDC at our conveniance store, in TN, and Kansas.
In MO. a friend let me shoot his single action Ruger Super Blackhawk in .44 Mag.
That .44 Mag Ruger had significantly less felt recoil than my S&W shooting .38 Specials.
Lever Actions are great hunting arms. My favorites that I've owned are a pre '64 Winchester '94, a Marlin 336 (both in .30-30) and a Marlin 1895SS in .45-70.
I've never needed to take a shot over 100 yards when hunting.
Them folk who claim Antelop have to be taken from 300 to 400 yards "because it is 'impossible' to get closer" make me question their stalking abilities and sanity. Archers using traditional bare bow (no sights, mechanical arrow rests, etc) recurves, longbows, and horsebows harvest Antelope, Mountain Goat, and Big Horn Sheep every year -- despite them being a game critter a lot of folk "think" can only be taken from 200 yards or more.
The Marlin 1895 and Winchester 1886 in .45-70 are capable of taking any big game critter in North America, with the proper bullet. (hand loads with round ball are good for wabbit snd squirrel, by the way.)
A guy used a Marlin 1895 Guide Rifle in .45-70 about 15 - 20 years ago now, to take the African BIG SIX, using Garrett Cartridges +P loads using 525 plus grain hard cast bullets.
All good points, and yes indeed they did switch to locking knives, which played a part in the demise of a lot of slipjoint knife makers almost seems to have happen one after another following the buck 110 and inspirations thereafter. Victorinox remains a contender because of their diverse lineup. They have slipjoint single blades, single lockblades, slipjoint multi tools, lockblade multi tools, they even have fixed blades and have given leatherman a competition with their plier based multi tools. If they only had slipjoint knives and thats it they may have found themselves becoming dated, but they were smarter than that. With their kitchen knife offerings as well as backpacks, watches, luggage and perfumes (??) They are basically a lifestyle brand with an extra focus on knives
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On a short ride on the bike today and carrying this.
It started life as a German Army Knife, but I wanted it to appear more SAK to customs and security when travelling in Italy as well as have toothpick and tweezers, so I swapped out the scales. Also easier to find if dropped.
It started life as a German Army Knife, but I wanted it to appear more SAK to customs and security when travelling in Italy as well as have toothpick and tweezers, so I swapped out the scales. Also easier to find if dropped.
The more I think about how my life is going, the more I am thinking I'm going to retire carrying my Gerber Harsey AirFrame in favor of a Victorinox 93 mm Companion Slim Alox. The AirFrame, with its 3.875" blade, is too large and heavy for my current needs, most days. Coupled with my Victorinox Rambler, the combination of the two will cover 99.9% of my needs on a daily basis. I've been car-free for 5 Winters, now, and I have a lot of meetings to attend downtown on my bicycle. I'm beginning to feel every extra gram of weight I have to carry, and I'm already carrying two boat anchors between by handbag with all my personal items and my briefcase with my laptop, portable network gear, bakcup batteries, cables, and reference materials and files. I also need an ebook copy of Robert's Rules of Order so I can stop carrying my hardcover copy to meetings at Town Hall.
www.victorinox.com
The day before yesterday, I had the Board of Trustees meeting for the town library and the town Selectboard meeting to attend back-to-back, and the Selectbaord meeting ends after the grocery stores close, so I had to go grocery shopping before hand, and carry all my groceries, my handbag, my briefcase, and all my bicycle gear into both meetings. Anything I can do to lighten my load is welcome.
Besides which, my on-bicycle toolkit contains my Leatherman Wave, as well, so I can't leave that on my bicycle while indoors for hours, for fear of it being stolen.
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The day before yesterday, I had the Board of Trustees meeting for the town library and the town Selectboard meeting to attend back-to-back, and the Selectbaord meeting ends after the grocery stores close, so I had to go grocery shopping before hand, and carry all my groceries, my handbag, my briefcase, and all my bicycle gear into both meetings. Anything I can do to lighten my load is welcome.
Besides which, my on-bicycle toolkit contains my Leatherman Wave, as well, so I can't leave that on my bicycle while indoors for hours, for fear of it being stolen.
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Being car free is GREAT! 
I went car free back in '95. I decided that $1.399 a gallon for regular was too much.
(When I started driving in 1971, a gallon of regular leaded gas was between $0.159 and $0.189)
If I may make a suggestion?
Get a two kid combo bike trailer and stroller. (2 kid have a "100 pound" load capacity. Solo kid trailers only have a "50 pound" load capacity.
So you know, I had my 2 kid trailer loaded to over 200 pounds ... more than once ... without damage to the trailer, hitch, or bike.
They pull easy. You won't notice the weight, even if fully loaded. At most, it feels like you are pedaling one gear higher.
In '95 I bought a used 1984 Fuji Mt. Fuji mountain bike at a pawn shoppe, and a hard body 2 kiddie trailer/stroller at Target, in Witchita, KS., that I "converted" to a cargo trailer, by taking out the seats and seat belts.
I retired both in 2005, after approx. 90,000 miles. (75-80 miles was a "short trip". On average, I was getting over 10,000 miles a year in.)
If/When I needed a car for work, I used a company car or pickup, depending on the task. (Let the company pay for gas, registration, insurance, maintenance, and when applicable, parking.)
98% of the time I used one of my bikes with a 2 kiddie cargo trailer, or when in Florida, starting 2004, when I bought a used Miami Sun (single speed) adult trike in Tampa, FL, and a 1,000 pound capacity 4 wheel nursery/ garden cart at Home Despot, in Marathon, FL.
Work had me in Tampa/St. Pete, the Keys, and the Florida City/Homestead/Miami area. The boss had me use a company car between Tampa/St. Pete, and the Keys/South Florida.
Once at my destination, I used the trike or one of the bicycles I kept at each location. (I had at least 2 or 3 bicycles to choose from at each location I had to work at in FL, IA, and ID. I was "bike poor" back then.)
I retired that trike in 2008, after 45,000 miles, according to the (accurate) wired cycle computer.
That cart (and several of my bicycles, and another 2 kiddie trailer/stroller) were stolen. I no who took them, but that quote-unquote "person" and/or "human" was friends with the Sheriff, so was never arrested.
I went car free back in '95. I decided that $1.399 a gallon for regular was too much.
(When I started driving in 1971, a gallon of regular leaded gas was between $0.159 and $0.189)
If I may make a suggestion?
Get a two kid combo bike trailer and stroller. (2 kid have a "100 pound" load capacity. Solo kid trailers only have a "50 pound" load capacity.
So you know, I had my 2 kid trailer loaded to over 200 pounds ... more than once ... without damage to the trailer, hitch, or bike.
They pull easy. You won't notice the weight, even if fully loaded. At most, it feels like you are pedaling one gear higher.
In '95 I bought a used 1984 Fuji Mt. Fuji mountain bike at a pawn shoppe, and a hard body 2 kiddie trailer/stroller at Target, in Witchita, KS., that I "converted" to a cargo trailer, by taking out the seats and seat belts.
I retired both in 2005, after approx. 90,000 miles. (75-80 miles was a "short trip". On average, I was getting over 10,000 miles a year in.)
If/When I needed a car for work, I used a company car or pickup, depending on the task. (Let the company pay for gas, registration, insurance, maintenance, and when applicable, parking.
)98% of the time I used one of my bikes with a 2 kiddie cargo trailer, or when in Florida, starting 2004, when I bought a used Miami Sun (single speed) adult trike in Tampa, FL, and a 1,000 pound capacity 4 wheel nursery/ garden cart at Home Despot, in Marathon, FL.
Work had me in Tampa/St. Pete, the Keys, and the Florida City/Homestead/Miami area. The boss had me use a company car between Tampa/St. Pete, and the Keys/South Florida.
Once at my destination, I used the trike or one of the bicycles I kept at each location. (I had at least 2 or 3 bicycles to choose from at each location I had to work at in FL, IA, and ID. I was "bike poor" back then.)
I retired that trike in 2008, after 45,000 miles, according to the (accurate) wired cycle computer.
That cart (and several of my bicycles, and another 2 kiddie trailer/stroller) were stolen. I no who took them, but that quote-unquote "person" and/or "human" was friends with the Sheriff, so was never arrested.
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