Sal: C36 w/ SecureLok?

Dexter Ewing

Dexter Ewing

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Hi Sal - any news on the Military models equipped with the safety? When will these hit the market? TIA for your help.

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Dexter Ewing
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"The keystroke is mightier than the sword"




 
Good question Dex. Could use some help here. We are currently doing engineering work on the Rolling lock. I believe you saw a proto at SHOT. We can nest the Rolling lock module and keep the Military as thin as it is now with a rolling lock. The alternative is to produce the Next run of the Military with the SecurLok. Both require adjustments in the tooling. What do the "astute" forumites think would be the best future direction for the Military Model? And why?
sal
 
Thanks Sal. As to the future of the Military model, I have two words for ya: Rolling Lock!
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The Military is a well engineered, hard use folder. IMO the Rolling Lock mechanism would compliment the knife perfectly. In fact, I like the idea of a Rolling Lock Military better than one that has a safety with the locking liner.

BUT - the main question I have for you is with the cost of the knife. As it is already, the Military retails for $199.95. How much more will the price increase if you add the Rolling Lock? If the price increases too much, that might turn some people off. But if you find that the projected cost of a Rolling Lock equipped Military is too much, then I think that you should just go with the safety. Then again, you know that guys like myself, Gene, and Bob (bald1) would pay anything for the new lock on our beloved knife
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Hope this helps you out.

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Dexter Ewing
Knife Reviews Moderator

"The keystroke is mightier than the sword"




 
Dex - We are actually trying to reduce the price of the Military right now. (Without reducing quality or strength). We think its too high. Just expensive to build, but we're learning new stuff everyday.

I think the cost of producing the Rolling Lock would be the same or less than the current way we make Linerlocks with SecurLoks. They are difficult to make right. Close tolerance = accuracy. Accuracy always costs more.

Our R & D staff has made a few engineering refinements to the Rolling Lock and the results are encouraging. Although both locking methods, made properly would serve almost any tough knife need. However either lock made poorly would be undesirable. How you do something is sometimes more crititcal to results. Eg; poorly heat treated "good" steel may not perform as well a excellent heat treating to a "medium" steel.
sal
 
Sal,

I haven't had the advantage Dex has in having examined both systems, so I'll not offer a recommendation. The Military has what I view as one of the most well implemented linerlocks out there and as such is plenty secure. It certainly doesn't fail A.T. Barr's liner lock tests. But, in the quest to develop more secure locking systems I think the Military model provides an outstanding test platform.
I look forward to future developments.


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I did NOT escape from the institution! They gave me a day pass!

 
Sal - glad to hear that you guys are working to reduce the price of the knife and that the cost of producing a Rolling Lock equipped knife is about the same as a regular locking liner! Definitely make the switch, I say. The change might even help sell more Military models. So does this mean that it's pretty much definite that the Military will be shod with the Rolling Lock? Just the mere thought of this is enough to make me antsy
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Dexter Ewing
Knife Reviews Moderator

"The keystroke is mightier than the sword"




 
I'd rather have the rolling lock than a liner lock with safety. My only issue with the Military, in its present format, is that my index finger seemed to depress the lock spring slightly when I squeezed the knife hard. (Sal, I understand that there is a reason for this: you want the knive to be easy to close while wearing thick gloves.) So I bought an AFCK instead. Seemed like a safer knife than the Military, although I like several design aspects of the Military better (i.e., big opening hole, flat grind). I assume the rolling lock would cure the problem that has kept me from buying the Military up until now. Of course a few minutes with the Dremel would fix it too.
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Thanks for listening, Sal. The Spyderco portion of Bladeforums is now my favorite.

David Rock.
 
Sal,
Rolling lock! I have a Rekat, great lock chunky knife! Now my Military with a rolling lock... ah, it is just money...
 
Rolling lock for reliablity and because your thumb does not cross the the path of a closing blade to release the lock.
 
I haven' t purchased a Military yet but if this new model comes out, I hope it will have a deeper finger groove for quicker indexing and to lessen the possibility of hand sliding forward for the tactical user. Just my opinion. In fact, I am putting in a vote for this feature. Anyone else??

L8r,
Nakano

"To earn a million is easy, a real friend is not."
 
Nakano,
I haven't seen a diagramatic layout of the Rolling lock but am guessing that it doesn't intrude into the finger groove area, so making it deeper(at least a bit) should be possible, good suggestion, I'm all for it.

Sal,
Please take as much time as needed to insure that quality is 'never' compromised for the sake of higher mass availability or ease of manufacture.

Thanks,
Ken
 
The SecurLok takes two motions to undo right?? Unlock the lock and then move the liner lock to close it. I haven't handled a knife with the SecurLok so I may be wrong. I'd go with the Rolling Lock for ease of closing myself.
Blades
 
Hi Blades - good point you brought up. the SecureLok does take two motions as you have indicated. Whereas operating the Rolling Lock is very similar in motion to operating an Axis Lock.

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Dexter Ewing
Knife Reviews Moderator

"The keystroke is mightier than the sword"




 
The Rolling Lock Military is looking better. To quote another moderator "Do it! Do it right! Do it right now!" I am warming up my credit card in anxious anticipation.
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Rollin lock it is. I have a rekat pocket hobit that feels more like a fixed blade than a folder. Put me down for two military's with rolling lock, haha.
 
Rolling lock sounds very very good to me.
Now just imagine a Military with a Rolling lock and Boye Cobalt Dendritic blade, sigh.
I'm getting a serious case of "knifuslustitus"; and there's only one known cure.
 
Bob - thanx
David - no problem, Benchmade mades a good knife. I had my .02 in the AFCK design as well.
Nakano - there is a large amount of forward "expansion" on the military. Between the "hump" caused by the oversize hole, and the lower choil, The "cross guard" effect is 1.35" wide. I don't think it would be easy to slide down on the blade. This is something we paid attention to in designing the model.

Copfish - ours won't be as chunky, we like 'em thinner and easier to carry all day. Thanx for the Email.

Ken - Never compromise. I'm a bit anal about that.

Dexter - The SecurLok doesn't have to be engaged every use. We make the linerlock right. It's like having an airbag...added protection when you choose.

Thanx for all the input. We're still talking with REKAT. We'll keep you posted.
sal
 
Just got done chatting, and we were discussing the Military with the Rolling Lock. Any idea when these might be hitting the market?? Just wondering. Thanks.
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Blades
 
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