Sal, New Paramilitary?

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Sal,

I know that there is talk of a Manix with a Ball Lock. Is there any thought of making a Paramilitary or Military with the Spyderco Ball Lock? I would personally love to see this knife in production!! Thanks!!

Greg
 
The more ball locks, the better! I have the D'Allara, and it's a neat knife. The lock is so smooth and so solid once engaged. I would love to see more Spydercos with that feature!

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I like the ball lock a great deal. The more knives with it the better :thumbup:
 
Gotta say, Compression lock might be my favorite - that or Axis. For some reason, the ball lock has not done it for me.
 
Since the design goal of the Paramilitary and Military dictate the use of their lightest and most open style locks I somehow doubt that we'll be seeing the ball locks on the Para, but I'd sure like to try out the Stop lock that has been cooking for several years now.
 
If Sal can get the Stop lock out in the next year or two that would be great, but last I heard it's kind of stuck in the development phase. Right now I'd almost rather have the stop lock shelved for a little while and see a Compression lock Military.

Though, a caged BB lock would be pretty sweet, even if harder to clean.
 
Paramilitary with its current Compression Lock, tapped for 4-way carry, and given 12C27 or 12C27M steel ran at the same hardness being used for its current S30V would make for an ultimate lightweight/hard-use/low-maintenance folder. I so hope we'll see something along those lines. And a Compression-locked, 4-way clipped Mili along the same lines as well, please. :)
 
thombrogan said:
Paramilitary with its current Compression Lock, tapped for 4-way carry, and given 12C27 or 12C27M steel ran at the same hardness being used for its current S30V would make for an ultimate lightweight/hard-use/low-maintenance folder. I so hope we'll see something along those lines. And a Compression-locked, 4-way clipped Mili along the same lines as well, please. :)
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Sounds like a winner to me, too! Us members of the Swedish Strip Steel Fan Club really like our 12C27. I personally really like the compression lock, and would love to see it on the Millie. As much as I admire the smoothness and strength of the ball lock, I think the compression lock works great and keeps the weight and thickness down. The 4 way clip option would be real nice, as well, as a lot of times I like to switch from righty to lefty and I like my tip up carry.

Mike
 
gunmike1 said:
I personally really like the compression lock, and would love to see it on the Millie.
Mike
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I say leave the Military pretty much the way it is!
C'mon, we NEED at least ONE production liner lock which is reliable, and the Military has pretty much been the benchmark for that.
Unless they were going going to come out with a "Military 2" with some other lock, but still keep the original in production too; THEN I could get on board.:thumbup:
 
stabman said:
I say leave the Military pretty much the way it is!
C'mon, we NEED at least ONE production liner lock which is reliable, and the Military has pretty much been the benchmark for that.
Unless they were going going to come out with a "Military 2" with some other lock, but still keep the original in production too; THEN I could get on board.:thumbup:
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Nobody needs to use the liner lock ever again, IMO it's outdated technology. The original concept was great at the time, but there are so many alternatives that work so much better I'd rather not have liner locks used anymore.
They are convenient, but with the reliability of the Compression lock I can't justify it's use, and most knives would be so much better off with a frame lock it's not even funny.
 
JJ---Outdated! Are slip-joints out-dated? The LL is a darn good lock, but only if one likes it. ;)
 
Joshua J. said:
Nobody needs to use the liner lock ever again, IMO it's outdated technology. The original concept was great at the time, but there are so many alternatives that work so much better I'd rather not have liner locks used anymore.
They are convenient, but with the reliability of the Compression lock I can't justify it's use, and most knives would be so much better off with a frame lock it's not even funny.
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Frame lock millie. One side Ti, the other CF. :D

CPM3V?

Oh, to dream...
 
Lycosa said:
JJ---Outdated! Are slip-joints out-dated? The LL is a darn good lock, but only if one likes it. ;)
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Are slip-joints out-dated? yes, but they do have their place (I love the simplicity of the Victorinox Soldier, and am very cautious when using it).

Liking a lock does not make it reliable, brilliant engineering and extremely high tolerances do.
The problem is the false sense of security. Not all liner locks have brilliant engineers behind them, nor are they all made to extremely high tolerances.
How do you tell between a good one and a bad one? Most of the time you can't.
Even when they are made to high tolerances by good engineers, the liner lock will wear out faster than nearly any other lock type out there, constantly adjusting the lockup and constantly calling its reliability into question. I have three examples of the Military and all three have performed admirably, but I still check them regularly when in use. I consider it part of the maintenance of the lock. Most people don't bother, and would be better off with a different lock.
Thus, we should encourage most people not to use liner locks.
 
Many years ago I had a Spyderco Terzuola liner lock fail during hard use. I was lucky to have only gotten a nick from the blade. Spyderco's liner locks have gotten hugely better in the last decade or so. My Millie is super solid. I have also recently had a CRKT M-16 with the Auto Lawks fail as well. If it was not for the Lawks I probably would have gotten bitten. In case you are wondering, I was cutting a plastic strap off of a wooden crate when the lock failed. The M-16 is going back to CRKT to get fixed.
 
Oh yes the liner lock bashing again. If it's well engineer from a good maker(not CRKT)
I've never had one fail. If the liner is positioned correctly it almost can't. People should remember the frame and compression are both variants of the liner. If you slap a scale on a frame lock it becomes a liner lock. Plus in my job (tower climber) the liner lock is much easier and safer to close than the compression and lock back style. I think any failure of a good liner lock is operator error or crap makers. Wonder why custom makers or even excellent production hard use knives like Emerson use liner locks still ?
 
We're working on a new Para, but we'll probably keep the Compression lock on the model. We'll make other refinements in addition to refining the Compression lock. 4 way clip, refined ergos & "innards"

The new Military will probably add a variation with a stop lock.

Hi Thom,

We've been considering a lower cost steel version for our USA made models.

sal
 
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