Sales and Production Updates

[scout1sg]

The purpose of this thread is not to ignite negativity or to rebut Fancier’s original Weekly Sales Update thread, in fact I would encourage Fancier or anyone who might be on the internet more frequently than myself or others to keep us informed on sales and any other updates members may acquire especially if the information may be first hand from the source. Ellie started the first Friday updates but shortly after her direct updates fell off and others have pretty much kept us updated (in particularly Fancier) on the production schedule and other items of interest. I believe I might have hit a nerve and it was not my intent, trust me, I (as most others) simply want to be informed if more information is available. I simply inquired about the inventory being reduced, one would assume Fancier has more information and the reason I wanted to have this pointed out on the Survive website as I could not locate it. Maybe even someone in the shop can chime in. Again we don’t need to add any negative comments as there are enough threads and comments discussing those problems. Let’s keep this thread opened up for solid updates (sales, production updates, etc.) no matter the source.

 

[ncrockclimb]

No "negative comments?"

You mean like telling the truth about S!Ks misleading language on their website. They still quote 90 days for delivery on seconds and "several" months for pre-orders. That is VERY misleading, especially given the major solvency and capacity issues facing the company. They also make no mention of the fact that they are OUT OF CASH and will not issue refunds.

I get that you and others like S!K. However, to discuss "production" without pointing out all the other issues is irresponsible and does a disservice to potential customers that come here looking for information.

 

[scout1sg]

No "negative comments?"

You mean like telling the truth about S!Ks misleading language on their website. They still quote 90 days for delivery on seconds and "several" months for pre-orders. That is VERY misleading, especially given the major solvency and capacity issues facing the company. They also make no mention of the fact that they are OUT OF CASH and will not issue refunds.

I get that you and others like S!K. However, to discuss "production" without pointing out all the other issues is irresponsible and does a disservice to potential customers that come here looking for information.

For a lot of those same reasons I'm with you ncrockclimb, I've been posting in those same threads as well (please check). I've been trying to nudge some fact checking as well. I wanted to respond back to Fanciers posting in his thread but he closed it off. I believe he has more info than us and to a degree he has been sort of a "silent bidder" per say keeping the sales probably going with the weekly updates but what I was trying to fact check were the "diminishing inventory" he pointed out as I could not see that listed on their website. I also feel if SKs has enough time to post their routine or monthly sales/production updates that they could also chime in and address the many forum members concerns that have been expressed as of recent. Am I fan of their knives, absolutely, am I tired of the misleading timeframes or lack of transparency, of course. I would just like to keep this thread opened up for useful updates. We have plenty threads discussing their problems.

 

[sryt95]

Same here, what does Fancier mean on his post "... Survive inventory have dropped." I hope he chime in here to clarify.

 

[scout1sg]

That's all I wanted to know as well, one would assume after a period of time that supplies (forecasted of course and not necessarily on hand at all times) do diminish but it appeared Fancier had seen this or heard of it somehow so was just inquiring where the source was.

 

[Packerrat]

Slang man, slang!
"Updates to the Survive inventory have dropped."
As in- "they have been posted...released to the public....published....product is up for sale..."
I could be wrong, but the 90s scarred me so.

any 30Rock fans in the crowd?

 

[Casinostocks]

No "negative comments?"

You mean like telling the truth about S!Ks misleading language on their website. They still quote 90 days for delivery on seconds and "several" months for pre-orders. That is VERY misleading, especially given the major solvency and capacity issues facing the company. They also make no mention of the fact that they are OUT OF CASH and will not issue refunds.

I get that you and others like S!K. However, to discuss "production" without pointing out all the other issues is irresponsible and does a disservice to potential customers that come here looking for information.

A lot of this can still be fixed but time is rapidly running out. Where you and I seem to differ is on the issue of our individual level of optimism or rather pessimism. I will not try to define your current level of believing but I would guess NONE based on your recent sentiments. As for me, when S!K line and the "New Survive!" was announced, I became more "cautiously" optimistic but in the light of the recent evens and revelations I would define my mood as I did in one of my recent previous posts: traverse with EXTREME caution as placing any new orders is NOT for the faint of heart!

IMHO, Guy must drop his nonchalant attitude and start participating on this subform. I have seen Ellie's posts, explanation and excuses on here and at the expense of hurting her feelings, I must say that they've been very badly constructed, putrid, very thin on details and almost always playing some form of victim's card. This placing blames must not and I repeat MUST NOT be repeated even if there are legitimate basis for this up until some of the backlogs are caught up with. I think if Guy comes in here and lays out something which makes sense, perhaps drop the 90 days boiler plate estimates and extend it to something like 120 days and earnestly stick with it (the proof is in the pudding...) he may pull through this very turbulent period. The floor is his and the choice is his and it ain't gonna be easy or pretty.

 

[scout1sg]

Slang man, slang!
"Updates to the Survive inventory have dropped."
As in- "they have been posted...released to the public....published....product is up for sale..."
I could be wrong, but the 90s scarred me so.

any 30Rock fans in the crowd?

Where are you seeing this statement ref "Updates to the Survive inventory have dropped." I'm not seeing this on their website, possibly from FB or another source?

 

[scout1sg]

A lot of this can still be fixed but time is rapidly running out. Where you and I seem to differ is on the issue of our individual level of optimism or rather pessimism. I will not try to define your current level of believing but I would guess NONE based on your recent sentiments. As for me, when S!K line and the "New Survive!" was announced, I became more "cautiously" optimistic but in the light of the recent evens and revelations I would define my mood as I did in one of my recent previous posts: traverse with EXTREME caution as placing any new orders is NOT for the faint of heart!

IMHO, Guy must drop his nonchalant attitude and start participating on this subform. I have seen Ellie's posts, explanation and excuses on here and at the expense of hurting her feelings, I must say that they've been very badly constructed, putrid, very thin on details and almost always playing some form of victim's card. This placing blames must not and I repeat MUST NOT be repeated even if there are legitimate basis for this up until some of the backlogs are caught up with. I think if Guy comes in here and lays out something which makes sense, perhaps drop the 90 days boiler plate estimates and extend it to something like 120 days and earnestly stick with it (the proof is in the pudding...) he may pull through this very turbulent period. The floor is his and the choice is his and it ain't gonna be easy or pretty.

I'm in total agreement here, just want to hear it from the Horse's mouth.

 

[chiral.grolim]

Same here, what does Fancier mean on his post "... Survive inventory have dropped."

I'm not him, but the lingo is commonly used to mean, "they just opened up ordering of these items on their site, and since these are not pre-orders, etc. that indicates blanks currently in inventory."
S!K does estimate a certain loss-percentage from every production run... some recent runs were really bad with a LOT of "2nds". The website mentions, concerning the GSO-4LEs:

Because there are always some issues in manufacturing, there are some Factory 2nds in this batch of GSO-4 Limited blades. These are being listed for a 10% and there will be no sheath included with the order.

THAT is what is referred to as inventory that has "dropped", i.e. become available for purchase. There are also GSO-7/7 2nds available.

Again, keep in mind that F.2's of the GSO-4.1s are way behind the previous 90-day delivery expectation, so don't jump in expecting to get your knife within a week or two - it remains to be seen how fast S!K can ship out new orders with the enormous back-log of pre-orders, etc. - but the number of blades may be limited so if you must own one of these and don't want to rely on luck on the secondary market, go ahead and snag one.

One thing to note about the F.2 4LE's is that they are only available in 20CV with camo-canvas scales and tumbled hardware and no sheaths - that level or restriction means that S!K can build and box up knives and have them waiting on a shelf to ship with the next batch or shipments, so they may (being optimistic here) be able to get these out faster than other orders.


Tell you what, I'll place an order for an F.2 4LE today and will update when that order ships. However, since I also have a regular 4LE on order and a starter 4.1 and a F.2 4.1, they may save my shipment to go out all together *shrug*

ETA: Order placed, and i noticed that the wording at the end before I confirmed my order is still as follows:

- GSO knives are built according to the specifications that you have chosen. Unless otherwise mentioned, orders typically ship within 90 days (see our How to Buy Page for full details). All other items tend to ship in 2-15 business days.

 

[Packerrat]

Where are you seeing this statement ref "Updates to the Survive inventory have dropped." I'm not seeing this on their website, possibly from FB or another source?

I think we may have all had a little too much coffee in the past 24 hours. I was responding to your Querry about that statement, Scout- post #255 in page 13 of the thread "weekly sales updates", where Fancier originated the quote:
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/weekly-sales-updates.1443347/page-13

I literally meant that he was using slang to say that new porducts had been released, and not stating that supply from the company had dropped/decreased.
He follows that statement with
"GSO 4 LTD 2nds are available.
GSO 4.1 2nds in 20CV and 3V are available."

These are the products that became available during the regualr wednesday factory seconds sale posting on the Survive! website.
I am off the sauce now and crashing, so hopefully I am clarifying and not confounding you further.

 

[Oyster]

Updates have dropped.

Meaning updates have posted.
No more, no less.
That's how I read it.

 

[scout1sg]

I think we may have all had a little too much coffee in the past 24 hours. I was responding to your Querry about that statement, Scout- post #255 in page 13 of the thread "weekly sales updates", where Fancier originated the quote:
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/weekly-sales-updates.1443347/page-13

I literally meant that he was using slang to say that new porducts had been released, and not stating that supply from the company had dropped/decreased.
He follows that statement with
"GSO 4 LTD 2nds are available.
GSO 4.1 2nds in 20CV and 3V are available."

These are the products that became available during the regualr wednesday factory seconds sale posting on the Survive! website.
I am off the sauce now and crashing, so hopefully I am clarifying and not confounding you further.

I know I'm trying to apply too much critical thinking at this moment (lol), one could also see "limited inventory" though as a prompt to get onto the site and get an order in before its too late, whenever that "too late" may be and the sale goes away.

 

[sryt95]

Ok, got it! My initial inference was as an accountant.

 

[scout1sg]

Updates have dropped.

Meaning updates have posted.
No more, no less.
That's how I read it.

I can see it that way as well, just wanted some clarification but he closed his thread off and couldn't respond.

 

[Oyster]

Dunno how closely others have been following the S!K site but, if you have, you'll have noticed that there are often changes with respect to what is available to order. For example, for a few days you could order an F2 4.1 in a choice of both steels, then it was only 3V for a while, then both again...
IOW, there have been several "updates" within a relatively short time span.
In this light, the phrase "updates have dropped" may make more sense... meaning they have posted.

 

[sryt95]

Tell you what, I'll place an order for an F.2 4LE today and will update when that order ships. However, since I also have a regular 4LE on order and a starter 4.1 and a F.2 4.1, they may save my shipment to go out all together *shrug*

I am tempted too. I have 3 pre-orders and 2 presales, all F1 including 4LE.

 

[scout1sg]

Dropped, placed, imputed. I'm tracking what you are all saying and it makes more sense now.

 

[ncrockclimb]

A lot of this can still be fixed but time is rapidly running out. Where you and I seem to differ is on the issue of our individual level of optimism or rather pessimism. I will not try to define your current level of believing but I would guess NONE based on your recent sentiments. As for me, when S!K line and the "New Survive!" was announced, I became more "cautiously" optimistic but in the light of the recent evens and revelations I would define my mood as I did in one of my recent previous posts: traverse with EXTREME caution as placing any new orders is NOT for the faint of heart!

IMHO, Guy must drop his nonchalant attitude and start participating on this subform. I have seen Ellie's posts, explanation and excuses on here and at the expense of hurting her feelings, I must say that they've been very badly constructed, putrid, very thin on details and almost always playing some form of victim's card. This placing blames must not and I repeat MUST NOT be repeated even if there are legitimate basis for this up until some of the backlogs are caught up with. I think if Guy comes in here and lays out something which makes sense, perhaps drop the 90 days boiler plate estimates and extend it to something like 120 days and earnestly stick with it (the proof is in the pudding...) he may pull through this very turbulent period. The floor is his and the choice is his and it ain't gonna be easy or pretty.

There is a lot I agree with in your post, especially much of your evaluation about what is wrong with S!K. I think you also nailed the difference between our levels of optimism and pessimism.

While I agree with you regarding how Guy might be able to salvage things, there has been absolutely ZERO evidence that Guy is interested, willing or even capable of executing the type of plan you outline. If he did, MAYBE he could fix the broken business that is S!K. But IMHO that is not going to happen.

Casino, please know that I am not trying to argue with you or minimize your position. I sincerely respect your opinion on this issue, but just don't totally agree with it.

 

[Casinostocks]

^ we're totally cool and I understand your position too.