Same Frame Group

thawk said:
During factory construction, would the handle finishing be done after the bone slabs were pinnned on? What tools are used for shaping and smoothing? I believe so, as often times I see jigging that crimps the edge of the bolsters. This kind of confirms that theory obviously.
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I think the handle slabs, bolsters & backsprings were all ground down,(hafted), in the same operation. I had a bunch like this from Camillus that I finished for a guy who had bought them at the auction.
I used a belt sander to shape them & then buffed them out. It is a fair amount of work and rather tricky when the handles are Delrin. It is much easier with wood & bone. Delrin gets too hot, too quick & wants to melt.


DAVE-
The lack of serial numbers (as well as the lack of finishing), may be an indicator that these knives were for warranty replacements. I don't know if they would put the serial # on the replacement knife or not, but I think that unlikely.

Dale
 
I believe the "crimping" of the bolsters came from the buffing wheels. The bolster was actually slightly gouged as the wheel went from the low point in the jigging or stag to the solid bolster. this was often a looked for quality among collectors as it proved that the handles were original to the knife.

Eric
 
Eric,
Are you saying that jimping or milling is something that happens by accident? :confused:
The patterns are far too consistent to just happen and are only on certain pattern numbers.

Here are a couple links to old threads on jimping:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=387252&highlight=jimping

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=389819&highlight=jimping

Too bad the pics are gone to the second thread.

The patterns on the liners &/or springs were referred to milling or milled liners in some of the older catalogs.
IIRC, LT once told me that Dave Swinden made a machine to do jimping on some of the knives at Schrade.

Perhaps I did not understand what you were saying,
Dale
 
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Looking at Dave's unfinished knife, it is unusual to see that much unfinished bone on the knife at that stage. From what I've seen at Queen and Case, the rough fitting is much closer to the liners and bolsters in their usual production by the time the knife is assembled. I guess Schrade did things differently??:confused:
 
I have not seen any Queen or Case at that stage of production, so I can't speak to that, however, they look very much like the Camillus knives I worked on. I guess that isn't too surprising, since the same family owned them.

Dale
 
Dale, no, jimping or milling would be quite an accident, I was refering to the dimples you sometimes see on the bolsters of knives with jigging or stag that is cut to the edge. It was in reference to Thawks post:

During factory construction, would the handle finishing be done after the bone slabs were pinnned on? What tools are used for shaping and smoothing? I believe so, as often times I see jigging that crimps the edge of the bolsters. This kind of confirms that theory obviously.
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I have some pretty piss poor examples to show you, but you can see the slight dimples on both the Rem. bolster and the burgundy CS in these photos. I've seen other dramatically more pronounced examples, but of course I don't have any pics. Some of the GEC's with the wilder jigging come to mind:

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Eric
 
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Those are actually good examples, Eric. They show exactly what you are talking about.
 
My apologies Eric. :o
I totally missed what you were saying.
I know how well you know your old knives & that was further confusing me. :confused:

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

I have heard some people actually complaining about that "crimping", in fact, I think it was right here in this forum a couple years ago.

Dale
much less confused now
 
thawk said:
The XTimer... Another one that has escaped me so far.

Here's a few more, including a couple of uninvited 89ers.

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Skoal 36OT

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33 and 34's

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K-Horns 896K and 234K

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Butter n Molasses 896K and 234K

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44OT Pen
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Well now I'm confused, help me out guys---I thought a 44OT had 4 blades not 2.
 
xbxb, the regular 44OT did indeed have four blades, the one above is an anomally of sorts. Some strange things went on at the Schrade factory, many of the Old Timer knives, Uncle Henry and the Scrimshaw patterns have been seen mixed up with each others blades.

It seems that many oddities left the Schrade factory over the years.

Russell
 
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