Sanderless in Montana

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In these days of not quite Belt Sander I wait. Where are you, little belt sander, come home?

Last week a spent a frenzied 40 hour work load examining the Sander issue.
I went to all the sites I could, manufacturers, distributors, forums, and retail outlets. Did you know that both Sears and Lowes market a little belt sander with their own names attached? And both have more horsepower than the Deltas I'm after, but enough questions and complaints remain that I passed them by.

The top end Deltas seem to be well respected. I examined a forum where many reviews were posted. I couldn't find my model number. Must be old reviews. But when I checked on the Delta site the numbers were valid. The two Deltas I wanted were entry level. I couldn't understand it. They were in the, "Shopmaster" series. The top rung didn't have a catchy title. "Shopmaster" was for all the Freds out there who wanted to feel important. How can you own a Shopmaster and not be on top? Out of my way; Shopmaster coming through.

I ordered the 1" by 42" from Tyler Tools, and that was the best net price I found. (Lowes has stopped carrying this model, so you may want to check the local Lowes and see if any are on closeout prices) I was going to order the 4 by 36 from them too, but found out Lowes had moved to Billings, only two hundred miles away, and I could buy one there a little cheaper.
12 bucks. That's it. Pay for Gas. My wife is going next weekend and will pick it up for me. I feel bad about it. She has a million other chores and for 12 bucks I loaded another on top.

I went into Chinook yesterday and saw my 4 X36 for 109. That's the best price on the net. For 12 bucks I could have grabbed it and saved my wife some rush hour grief. She has to load up on diapers, staple foods, return some pants to Sears, get new shocks installed on the truck, go to a Christian Women's conference, and try to get home after a overnight motel.

I remember doing this a lot in my life. Obsess about some topic, spend hours talking about it, calling friends on the phone, researching spec sheets, maybe even arrange for a commercial in the middle of one of my dreams when I'm asleep at night. It's better than drinking a quart of Vodka. Being sober is a license to act crazy. "HE's buying TWO belt sanders; why? Shouldn't that money go to the house?"

Looking at all the tools during my search I felt the need for a Sawzall. Always wanted one of those. If a couple of crooks wore white uniforms, had a panel van parked outside, they could sawzall their way into a home in broad daylight and no one would say a thing. Sawzall in, grab the goodies, and drive off. If two families were gone they could do two houses side by side in those tight Spanish Hacienda suburban housing tracks.

Not buying the Sawzall meant I'd saved some money- more than enough to pay for the other belt sander. I was ahead.

While waiting for the Sander I cut some trees with a Ganga Ram 22" and a WWll 16" There's a lot of trees knocked down or broken by the Big Wind we had last month. Three of them were on the mountain behind my house so I cut them down. The big Ganga went, "thunk, thunk, thunk". The little WWll went, crack crack crack crack crack, kind of like a duck. When a tree was ready to fall, I'd shout, "Tiii--mm- Ber," and the Male gobbler Turkey in a nearby tree would gobble an answer. It was funny. The boys thought it was hysterical. The Turkeys have been roosting behind the house.

I don't know how you guys without trees handle it. Some of you are fortunate in owning a home, and maybe once a year a branch will fall or the Wife will decide she wants a patio, so you get to cut something. There's wood everywhere here. The Pine Beetle has killed a bunch, dry now and for the taking. The Moon of the Popping Trees left dozens blown apart middle of the trunk, and all of those can come down. Now the Wind has provided another source. As if all of that were not enough, there's a tree in my yard with a trunk bigger than I can wrap my arms around. It's dead and we have to fell it before Mother Nature knocks it down on my Neighbors Historical Landmarks.....there's a couple old log cabins below our house on his immaculate green lawn. My big old ugly tree would not look good there.

So I've been hacking and swinging khuks. We've started to pick once more the wooden bulbs Pine grows in response to insect attack. I don't know what I'll do with them, but I'll sand and polish them until I can decide.

munk
 
I've got some boiled Linseed oil.

I've saved that for the walking sticks. They're still drying. I figure one of them has your name on it, Spectre.



munk
 
munk said:
When a tree was ready to fall, I'd shout, "Tiii--mm- Ber," and the Male gobbler Turkey in a nearby tree would gobble an answer. It was funny. The boys thought it was hysterical. The Turkeys have been roosting behind the house.

:cool: :D
 
I was sorely tempted by the 29 dollar one too. But I work with wood, always seem to have a strange project around, so I figured I should move up a little.

When you pick your unit up, and read the underside, I wonder if we'd find the same address and company on the motor from China?


munk
 
Always buy good tools... I like Delta stuff.

But munk, isn't one of the problems slowing the belt down to a very controllable speed? I think Bri in Chi used a rheostat or a motor mod of some kind... that "count the grains go by" is what I need or I will ruin *more* knives. Does the one you're getting do constant high rpms?


Ad Astra :confused:
 
Ad Astra

Lowes has an inhouse model with something like 2/3 hp (instead of 1/3 for the Delta) in 4 X36" belt sanders. It has a variable speed, the Delta does not.

But the 4" is not the width specified by the knife makers, (1" to 2" I thought was about it) and Lowe's own polls suggest the unit is only tolerable. The Deltas, on the other hand, get great reviews, getting a 4 out of 5. Tradesman, (Lowes) is 3 out of 5. It costs 129 dollars compared to 97.

Now, the other sander, the 1" by 42" is a Delta and I believe a constant speed.

If I wanted to spend 300 to 500, more options and power are included, of course. There was Kalamazoo, Grizzly, and Delta models that all looked attractive.

But I figure for 200 bucks I'm getting two belt widths, both useful to me, and two sanding disks as well. I can't see spending 200 bucks better.

Why don't the manufacturers make machines that will take a range of belts, say from 1" to 6", or 6" to 18"?

I wonder if anyone has any experience with the Tradesman?

munk
 
I replaced my stock 3250 RPM motor with a Harbor Freight 1725 RPM, and installed a 2" sheave on the motor, and a 6" on the grinder shaft. I was also suggesting looking into a motor speed control for the direct-drive sanders. I would call HF and talk to a tech guy to see if they have one that will work without loosing all the torque. A rheostat will not do it. I was wondering about the speed reducers they sell for routers... HF tech support is pretty good about that kind of stuff. :D Hope this helps.
 
Lowes has a 4.5 amp motor, cast iron base, variable speed 4x36" belt and 6" disk sander for 129. I'm thinking of getting it instead of the Delta.
Black and Decker has purchased Delta.


munk
 
Heh,

I thought the title of the thread was Slanderless in Montana.

Going back to school now...
 
munk said:
Lowes has a 4.5 amp motor, cast iron base, variable speed 4x36" belt and 6" disk sander for 129. I'm thinking of getting it instead of the Delta.
Black and Decker has purchased Delta.


munk

I have the Sears 4X36 with 6" disk sander and with the Craftsman's club discount I got it for just over a hundred. I'm not sure from your post if you are looking for general woodchucking or if you wanted to sharpen your khuks. The 4X36 has a full length platen and will tilt up 90 degrees; it's great for general woodwork, but useless for knife sharpening as it moves way to fast, the belt is too wide, and there is no slack belt to work with. For general handle making it would work OK though I think. I bought it cuz I got tired of putting my Craftsman 4X24 belt sander upside down in a woodworking vise and locking the switch open in order to sand stuff!

BTW, just an afterthought, lots of folks diss the Black & Decker quality, but I think it depends on what tool you get. I have one of their old 7" circular saws that weighs a ton and has poor quality miter adjustments. I should have gone with the Skil worm drive but that was twice the $ and I didn't have the bread. But I also have a cordless screwdriver and a portable buffer and a 10 year-old router that are some of the best quality tools I've seen.

Everyone said that Home Depot's Rigid tools were crap because Emerson bought out the line, and they used to make some Craftsman power stuff for a while that was not very well received, but all I can say is the tools of theirs that I have bought are first rate, as is their customer service; a table saw, 15" drill press and a 12" compound miter saw (lifetime warranty on their power tools, and it does the job, but in retrospect I should have got the Dewalt DW705; great saw.) My only complaint is that the drill press only has a 3/4 HP motor so is a bit underpowered when using larger bits in harder woods like red oak.

As for hand tools, Craftsman, Husky (HD) and Harbor Freight hand tools for that matter all have lifetime replacement guarantees. The bulk of my stuff is Craftsman because that's what my Dad had and what I was raised with, but there are Husky and Ridgid and HF and Klein (mostly electrical) tools mixed in depending upon the application.

I bought a Porter Cable finish nailer and stapler, and my snob neighbor who is a carpenter turned up his nose at them as he only uses Senco, but then someone else told me they were made in the same plant. (?) I've had good luck with them, and their random orbit and sheet sanders are great. For jigsaws I think that the Bosch orbital 1587 is the very best (and Sears carries the exact saw under the Craftsman name, but won't tell you Bosch makes it;) For drills, hammer drills and Sawsalls, Milwaukee is hard to beat; Porter-cable for plunge routers. Still like Makita for cordless drills. Levels have got to be Stabila, just for the warranty. For detail sanders Dremel is the best, although the Ryobi is OK; for biscuit joiners, Porter Cable or Dewalt. Angle grinders, Dewalt again. RotoZip is still the best Spiral saw. The Craftsman 16" scroll saw is the best deal out there.

Bottom line, most of it is made overseas now, and I think the quality just depends on the individual tool, although I have no problem saying that the B&D and Ryobi lines are definitely targeted to the home tool buyer as opposed to the professional.

Regards,

Norm
 
Svashtar;
The Sears Belt sander just went off sale last weekend- it could have been mine for only 88 dollars.

Yes, the combination of the Delta 1X42 and the Tradesman 4X36 will give me knife and metal work, the pistol grips and other small wood projects I enjoy.

I plan on taking off the removable covers over the belt.

Norm, I talked to a guy at an Ace Hardware store who owns a Sears belt sander- the kind that rolls across your floor. He used to put it upside down too. It broke one day, and still under warranty, they fixed it. The repair staff told him that it put inordinate strain on the bearings to run it upsidedown.

I have a Sears belt sander that rolls across the floor. I've been using it upsidedown for quite a while. I guess I'll stop. I don't know if that repair guy knew what he was talking about or not.

Now I'm all hyped for the Tradesman. Out of my way, I'm a Shopmaster Tradesman now, according to my machine's brazen titles.

munk
 
munk said:
Norm, I talked to a guy at an Ace Hardware store who owns a Sears belt sander- the kind that rolls across your floor. He used to put it upside down too. It broke one day, and still under warranty, they fixed it. The repair staff told him that it put inordinate strain on the bearings to run it upsidedown.

munk

Oops! Guess I got away with it for the time I did it then, no problems so far. The heavy standalone 4X36 is a lot easier to use for sure.

After seeing Rio Jim's 1" Delta belt sander at Gin's, I am considering getting one myself, but need to compare and shop around a bit just as you've done.

Regards,

Norm
 
Norm, in California you may be able to find even lower prices.
LEt me know what you decide about the belt sander. I'm curious. There isn't really a lot out there until you step up to 250.00 and beyond. I wish I could have got some of the Kalamazoo stuff.


munk
 
It won't work- I learned that today. It has to be a heavier duty item.



munk
 
munk said:
It won't work- I learned that today. It has to be a heavier duty item.



munk

Yep, Munk's right. I mentioned this to Nasty at the Khonvention regarding buffers, and he said (correctly) that you would just burn out the motor running it with a rheostat. The motors are expecting a certain exact voltage, and when they get less "brownout-type" power they fry. I guess they do make variable speed motors but they aren't cheap.

Regards,

Norm
 
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