SAR 8 "Comparison & Companion" thread

Discussion in 'Busse Combat Knives' started by PeterPHWS, Oct 25, 2009.

  1. PeterPHWS

    PeterPHWS

    Dec 31, 2005
    I thought I would do a few pic's of the SAR 8 with some of the other offerings in the same size blade with a bit of a comparison on weight and feel and throw in a couple of smaller knife pairings.

    The SAR8's nearest comparable is the Basic 9....

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    As you can see the blades are nearly identical with the only differences being in the grind on the edge and the thickness. The Basic 9 is asymetrical on the grind being a combination of convex one side and flat on the other...the SAR8 is fully convex on both...which is best? Well they are both very good...for me having the ability to use a belt sander to bring an edge back the SAR8 probably works easiest to restore at home.

    In the field I think the Basic 9 would be the easiest to bring back as you would just need to use a small field stone on the flat side to touch it up...with a SAR8 you would need a bit of hide glued to the underside of a tobacco tin covered with green chrome compound and a mouse mat inside it with a few sheets of wet and dry if you had let the edge dull a bit...both work fine but in the long run the wet and dry will wear out...the stone will last for years...

    Weight wise they are actually very similar...the Basic 9 at .25 and the SAR8 at .220 thick with the extra weight in the full spine just about ties it off...the Basic 9 is on feel just a little lighter...I have'nt put them on the scales...just going off feel...but they do both feel great "fast" in the hand knives. They combine the best of a fighting knife dexterity and with the length of blade they have a very good chopping ability as well.

    See Noss's destruction test of a Basic 9 and you will see these knives have great chopping power for their weight...the same applies to the SAR 8...the increased grip to the rear allows a good rearward hold to enhance the length and chopping power and at a guess I would say they will probably be a close tie on chopping.

    Personally I am a great fan of these two blades...they epitomise the best designs for "power to weight" performance...I like them for carrying them as well...here the extra lightness is a real advantage compared to others...and as a versatile knife the lightness and dexterity score well in food prep or gralloch work or if used as a combat knife the fast long blades would be what you wanted.

    On the handle front there is a fair bit of difference....

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    The Res C of the Basic scores a lot higher on comfort when chopping...the SAR8 has a pommel which is useable as a Baton...personally I see little advantage in the pommel of the SAR8 that the spine on the Basic 9 cannot be used for...as for toughness of a full spine v comfort of a hidden tang...the Basic 9 is plenty tough with a hidden tang ...the Noss test showed that...but if I was wanting to hammer the pommel to dig in the blade tip...the SAR8 is the best design...that use though is one I have yet to come across in the field.

    Field use on things like ferro rods etc...the gimping on the SAR8 is great for this...the Basic 9 is suprisingly also good for a coated blade...I use the undersize finger choil and the edges there are very much at a good "right angle" and the rod settles in there for a secure fit and you can throw a good shower of sparks.

    All told the only difference is on the comfort of the handle when chopping...the SAR8 is a very thin profile on the grip...this gives a bit of "shock bite" to the area around your thumb web when gripping to chop...the Basic 9 is perhaps the most comfortable handle for chopping that Busse produce...the only trade off to the two to perhaps even the score a little is that the satin finish on the SAR8 lends itself much better to a "one knife" does it all for things like food prep etc...but ofcourse you could strip the Basic 9... all told therefore I would give the nudge slightly to the Basic 9 on this comparison.

    Compare using the Basic 9 "as is" with the benefit of a none glare finish and teamed up with a S5LE for food prep and delicate work and you have for my uses which include the "military" a really great set up...

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    This "combo" has a great deal going for it.... Total weight on these two probably gives the best "power to weight to functionality" of all the Bussekin blades I have.

    If you were to team up the SAR 8 with a smaller blade....and as I say...it's great advantage is that it probably does'nt need one and could exist very well as a one knife does it all...I would probably go with a RMD...

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    Infact sending in my RMD for a change of scales to match the SAR8 grips and giving it a full satin finish to match would be something I would consider if money were no object. They would make a nice pairing IMO...

    I seriously would'nt consider a SAR8 with a SAR4...to me the SAR knives are "stand alone" really...the SAR 4 is quite a heavy knife and for a smaller companion blade you are carrying a lot of weight selecting both.

    Looking at how the SAR8 compares with other 8 inch blades the main difference is on weight and chopping ability and on grip comfort...you can also see the weight difference as well by the spine thickness on the grip shots...here are some of the classic comparisons...

    SAR8 and NMSFNO...

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    The NMSFNO is heavier and has a wider grip...

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    Chopping wise I think the NMSFNO will do better than the SAR 8 in a chop off but the SAR 8'S grip with it's increased depth at the rear gives a slightly more secure grip which is less likely to enable the blade to slide forward and this might even things a little...you would really need to do a chop off to tell..."shock bite" for me there is no difference worth mentioning...they are both comfortable but not as comfortable as Res C...it is only really Res C where you feel a noticeable difference worth mentioning IMO...

    The shock aspect though does diminish on how thick the grips are and on how heavy the knife is when using a full tang knife...compared to a FSH Variant which has a .32 thick grip and a tapering blade which gives very good balance but is a lot heavier...the FSH has a lot more chopping power and is a fair bit more comfortable because of the wide area the impact is spread over...

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    This comparison is'nt exactly "apples to apples" though...the weight difference is going to give the FSH a fair old advantage...but at the same time a disadvantage if you have to carry it a long way. This is only something which you can determine for yourself. For me it is how the knife is carried. On webbing spread over a shoulder harness you don't notice it so much and having a bit of a heavier weight chopper might be more appealing...on a normal belt though and it is a definate noticeable issue...you might want to use a belt and suspenders with knives like this.

    All told I like the SAR8 a lot...and there needs to be some chop offs to sort out my first impressions above...but as a stand alone "one knife" it is a great offering...:thumbup::cool:
     
  2. Will York

    Will York Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jan 21, 2000
    Very nice run-through, Peter--thank you. It will be interesting to see how the BushWhacker stacks up against both the SAR8 and Basic 9 in weight, balance, comfort, control, chopping efficiency, batonning, etc.
     
  3. cruelraoul

    cruelraoul

    494
    Jun 6, 2009
    Really nice comparison. Thanks for all the photos, too. For most of the larger knives you mention, I'd be accompanying them with an AD or Scrapper 5.
     
  4. budthachud

    budthachud Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 30, 2008
    I'd like to add another thanks for this comparo. I've been hesitating for the last 3 runs of sar-8's, and your thread has helped to convince me that I need one. :D So maybe I shouldn't thank you...:D
     
  5. Lil' Foo

    Lil' Foo

    Aug 24, 2006
    Excellent Peter!!! :thumbup:

    But now you've gone and pushed me off the fence for a SAR8. :grumpy: :eek:

    That comparison with the Basic 9 was all it took. :D

    Thanks!

    (I think) :p


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  6. RussMo

    RussMo

    Apr 1, 2007
    Pete,

    Great pics Bro, and a great right up on all!!! I to really like the SAR-8, and boy that Red HOG is a beauty...
     
  7. PeterPHWS

    PeterPHWS

    Dec 31, 2005
    Thanks for the kind words guys....I definately agree with Will that it will be interesting to see what the Bushwacker is like...I am hoping Jerry offers this in Satin with the same colouring on the grips as the prototype pic...it would make a nice match with the Zilla and the SAR 8...but I think it is black paper only...we will see...these things are only asthetics...:D:foot:
     
  8. UDDwaine

    UDDwaine

    Apr 8, 2007
    Here's a pic I took a few days ago.

    It has the following: Sar8, Waki, HR, SFNO, and SOW variant. PLus a couple of 1911s.

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  9. knife hunter

    knife hunter "Die Hard Hog" Moderator & Dealer Moderator

    Dec 5, 2007
    awesome Peter.

    I just put my hands on the sar 8 and its now one of my favorites:)
     
  10. Dennis in MA

    Dennis in MA Gold Member Gold Member

    May 31, 2005
    Wow. Great review! Now I know why I love my B9 so much. . . and why I won't bother with any SAR8.
     
  11. resinguy

    resinguy

    Feb 19, 2006
    Same here... of course that would mean I might have to use my B9. :rolleyes:

    Maybe the user Satin Battle Rat will suffice.
     
  12. Jraptor

    Jraptor

    42
    Jun 13, 2009
    I have a SAR8 and a SAR4. I agree, after examining the knives, that carrying both would be pretty heavy. I think the SAR4 for can be changed out for a bark River Bravo 1, Or another lighter blade that you trust. The Mean Street by Busse may be a option too. Whatever lighter trustworthy knife you pick.
    My main problem with the SAR is that the handle has a curve in it that makes me grip it in a strange way. I have long thought of modifying the handle to be ergonomic for me, at least. I would always carry some sorts of smaller, but practical, axe (probably A GFB with me if the SHTF occurs).
    There are lots of combinations at different price levels but I am restricting myself to the area of Busse knives for this post.
     
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  13. Andy the Aussie

    Andy the Aussie Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jan 29, 2010
    It's an 11yo zombie thread.......... someone stab it in the head..... !!
     
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  14. Will York

    Will York Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jan 21, 2000
    And pre-B8/B10/B11 released later, which in my mind renders Peter’s comparisons incomplete at this point (though he did—probably still does—love that B9!;)) Anyhoo—yeah, all for stabbing this one in the head.:D
     
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  15. tinfoil hat timmy

    tinfoil hat timmy Gold Member Gold Member

    Aug 21, 2014
    Now I want a SAR8
     
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  16. hookahhabib

    hookahhabib Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 24, 2011
    The SARs are sweet! Get one!

    This necro thread brought back fond memories of my SARGE7...
     
  17. resinguy

    resinguy

    Feb 19, 2006
    Leave the old thread, bring Peter back.
     
  18. Andy the Aussie

    Andy the Aussie Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jan 29, 2010
    ......this...!
     
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  19. AZTimT

    AZTimT The Stripetition Finish Guy

    Oct 15, 2009
    I remember this thread when it was new. Thought some more old timers were popping in for a second.
     
  20. Will York

    Will York Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jan 21, 2000
    ...and you did! ;) Good seeing you around!:thumbsup:
     

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