SAR8 vs. R9?

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I want one of these blades...and really just a larger knife than the BJ. I would include the SFNO but I've been more attracted to the other two. I did not care for the 711 and the guard on the TG makes the knife cool to look at but not my preference function/feel/comfort-wise.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I've narrowed it down to either a SAR8 (if Lexi can have me one made) or an R9.

Here's my list of pro's/con's...please share your thoughts.


SAR8-

Pros- Hands down winner in the looks dept, jimping, custom options for handle material and blade finish, INFI.


R9-

Pros- Less than HALF the price, 1.5" more blade, black canvas handle which I would order on the SAR8 anyway...plus it's less than half of the price!!

Ok so those are only pros but you get the idea. What are your thoughts?

Thanks

-Emt1581
 
They are different beasts-including the SFNO if you find one for cheap on the X. To many, like myself, The SAR's don't have too much competition in the do it all category. Its also INFI satin (adds $$) and with G10 or even BP your talking at least 2:1 ratio with respect to price. I own both and love both(SAR 6er is even my favorite). I use the Sar if I need to take one knife on a hike and don't want a bulky BWM strapped to a bag or my side. I look at the R9 as an amazing value blade for what you get. 9 inches of coated Sr101 for 2 bills w/ BCM. It will handle anything you can toss at it-just like INFI. I even like the handles... but its a pure chopper/camp knife due to the thickness, coating and grind whereas even the SAR8 could be used for a lot of other things (smaller tasks) like food prep for one, etc. Vanity alone, you really cannot even compare them. The handles are also just amazing on the larger SAR's. Tough call because I really see them both being worth the money, but I am not sure it is a good comparison. If money is an issue at the moment, go with the R9 for sure... if you have some extra cash, save up for one of the "soon" to be released SARGE 7's (I'm sure they will offer BCM-black canvas micarta and several G10 options.) or look on the exchange for a Sar8. They do pop up. GL either way.
 
I'm battling with this to. Recently sold a SAR8 and now I'm finding myself looking to fill that hole in my collection. For me price and availability are pushing me toward the Rodent 9. Also it's a chance to try a new blade.
 
chopweiler would be my favorite SR101 in that role and I don't think anybody has mentioned it. you don't see them up very often anymore but I definitely think its worth looking at, especially if you see a deal on one.
 
They are different beasts-including the SFNO if you find one for cheap on the X. To many, like myself, The SAR's don't have too much competition in the do it all category. Its also INFI satin (adds $$) and with G10 or even BP your talking at least 2:1 ratio with respect to price. I own both and love both(SAR 6er is even my favorite). I use the Sar if I need to take one knife on a hike and don't want a bulky BWM strapped to a bag or my side. I look at the R9 as an amazing value blade for what you get. 9 inches of coated Sr101 for 2 bills w/ BCM. It will handle anything you can toss at it-just like INFI. I even like the handles... but its a pure chopper/camp knife due to the thickness, coating and grind whereas even the SAR8 could be used for a lot of other things (smaller tasks) like food prep for one, etc. Vanity alone, you really cannot even compare them. The handles are also just amazing on the larger SAR's. Tough call because I really see them both being worth the money, but I am not sure it is a good comparison. If money is an issue at the moment, go with the R9 for sure... if you have some extra cash, save up for one of the "soon" to be released SARGE 7's (I'm sure they will offer BCM-black canvas micarta and several G10 options.) or look on the exchange for a Sar8. They do pop up. GL either way.
I've got plenty of 5-7 inch blades. Not so many in the 8-9.5 or 9.5+ categories. So I wiuldn't be interested in another 7" blade. Money is not an issue but other than fine/intricate work, I'm wondering what the R9 will NOT to that the SAR8 will?

Thanks

-Emt1581
 
Tomorrow I can take pictures of the SAR 8 and Rodent 9 side by side if anyone would find it helpful.
 
OK, I snuck out for some quick comparison shots of the SAR8 and Rodent9. I'll try to get some time to take some weights and measurements later today. They are both fine knives. Hope these help:
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If money is not an issue, than get both. If you don't like one then sell it.

If the shop happens to have a SAR-8 blank, than count yourself lucky and buy it.

If not, than order a Rodent 9 and don't look back. No regrets. You can always get a SAR-8 later on when one pops up on the exchange.

You can't go wrong with either.
 
R9 look cool and everything but the handle looks suspicious chopping quick blisters in comparison with the Sar8 more neutral handle grip.
 
On the contrary, I have found the handle on the R9 to be extremely comfortable to use. It's design kinda locks the knife in the hand, making it impossible for the knife to move around, which is what gives blisters. And as a bonus, it's very hard to drop the knife e.g. while chopping. I think it's the most comfortable big knife handle I have held, surpassing the dog father handle amongst others, but I know a lot of people would disagree on this. All in all it comes down to personal preferences :)
 
I dunno...seeing those pics and having read nothing but excellent reviews of the R9...I think I'm pulling the trigger on one. I mean I'll wait until tomorrow night to order (in case Lexi tells me they have a SAR 8 Blank) but even then...I'm still pretty attracted to what the R9 offers. Plus I don't have any SR pieces...SY and Busse...but not SR...

Thanks a lot for those pics btw!!!

-Emt1581
 
I've got plenty of 5-7 inch blades. Not so many in the 8-9.5 or 9.5+ categories. So I wiuldn't be interested in another 7" blade. Money is not an issue but other than fine/intricate work, I'm wondering what the R9 will NOT to that the SAR8 will?

Thanks

-Emt1581

i don't think the R9 will not do anything the SAR 8 will. it will probably chop better than the SAR8, but the SAR8 is a little lighter and more versatile.
 
Well I've broken and pulled the trigger on a Rodent 9. I'll carry out a field test when I get it and see how it fares compared to the SAR8 my friend has.
 
i don't think the R9 will not do anything the SAR 8 will. it will probably chop better than the SAR8, but the SAR8 is a little lighter and more versatile.

Wait, if the R9 will do everything the SAR 8 will AND it can chop, wouldn't that make the R9 more versatile?

Thanks

-Emt1581
 
I had an r9 and the hand felt great in a choked up position with my index finger in the choil and choked back position with my index finger being in front of the hump in the handle. But in standard grip with the hump being between my middle and ring finger I found the grip awkward. I have smaller hands though, i wear medium motorcycle gloves/large mechanix gloves. It seems like people with large hands do better with the r9 grip than small hands.

Worst case scenerio you could sand off the hump and have the exact same handle with mag grips and a longer blade.

I traded my r9 for a dfle and couldnt be happier.
 
I had an r9 and the hand felt great in a choked up position with my index finger in the choil and choked back position with my index finger being in front of the hump in the handle. But in standard grip with the hump being between my middle and ring finger I found the grip awkward. I have smaller hands though, i wear medium motorcycle gloves/large mechanix gloves. It seems like people with large hands do better with the r9 grip than small hands.

Worst case scenerio you could sand off the hump and have the exact same handle with mag grips and a longer blade.

I traded my r9 for a dfle and couldnt be happier.

Mag grips?...Meaning thicker?

I swear we need a Busse abbreviation/slang sticky in this forum!! Too many letters and terms to be aware of for piglets.

-Emt1581
 
Yes, magnum grips are more contoured, look at the spine shot westfoek posted, you can see the more exaggerated palm swells.
 
Mag grips?...Meaning thicker?

I swear we need a Busse abbreviation/slang sticky in this forum!! Too many letters and terms to be aware of for piglets.

-Emt1581
Busse Collector has all the information you should need, including specs on past models, some history, and an APPENDIX!
http://bussecollector.com/appendix/

Now BUY something. Ya know ya want to!
 
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From experience here are a few differences that might crop up with these different blades :

Food prep - the satin finish on the SAR 8 scores much higher for me as the satin enables you to know that resin or sap deposits are properly cleaned from the knife if used for chopping. A coated finish is much harder to tell. This much I know ... if you get the "trots" out in the field the extra cash needed for a satin finish will seem money you wished you had spent. All my food prep is done with a satin blade. I know from having a SAR 8 that little things ... such as the ability to dig the blade into "jars" of peanut butter or jam etc ... make the SAR blade very user friendly in the kitchen or in the Campsite role. People say they like folders for food prep etc ... one of the biggest time consuming PIA's was when I dropped a multi blade SAK into a jar of jam ... cleaning out the blades and recesses for the blades needed Q tips and wet wipes that seemed to take for ever. Since then I always prefer a fixed blade for food work.

- Ferro Rod use where you can use the "jimping" as a strike surface gives a great shower of sparks from the SAR. The knife is ideal for this. From experience with coated blades you are left either with the main edge as a strike surface or you create a sanded area for this. Or you don't use the knife. The SAR lives up to it's name well in being a great knife for fire prepertion with this feature.

- Twine and cord preperation whereby you can use the jimping as a scraper to remove nettle "pith" so you are left with the fiborous strands ( anchor the knife in a log and just draw the stems over the jimping ) or using it with pine roots for thicker "cord" or using it with the leg bones of deer to get really strong and fine thread ... all of these bushcraft techniques are possible where you will struggle to use the spine of the R9 with a coated finish. You would need to polish the spine by sandng it and make sure you get a good right angle edge to act as a scraper. Then with SR101 the spine will need some anti-rust care and attention.

- Heliograph use - the polished satin finish on the blade of a SAR8 enables you to use the talon hole in the pommel at the top of the handle to work the side of the blade as a mirror reflector for signalling any plane in the event of a rescue emergency for them to locate your position. One of the hardest things to do when planes are searching the bush for you is to be able to attract them from the ground. Heliograph techniques work far better than "fire" or "smoke" during the day time. Here is a simple pic to enable you to get the idea of how they work -

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Make a small hole with your left forefinger crooked towards your thumb for the distance hole on the lolipop as seen in the pic ... and the knife used like the mirror using the talon hole ... line up the knife to the sun and angle it until you can see the mirror glint on your left hand/fist and then move them in tandem so you bracket the plane in line with both holes and you will have the satin finish acting like a mirror to the pilot of the plane. Works really well and again makes the Search and Rescue aspect of the SAR design a significant advantage over a coated blade. Particularly handy when in the sea. I have used my SAR 8 doing SCUBA work and used it to signal the gemini to pick us up when we surfaced away from the boat. Works really well.

You basically get out of the SAR 8 a whole lot more "bushcraft" and "survival" functions than from a coated blade. Coated blades are really meant for a military applcation where "shine" is something you want to avoid and the trade off then makes sense. For civilian or even military amphibious use ... give me a satin blade all the time.

You could ofcourse strip the R9 and tweak it to work in the tasks given above ... but a ghetto satin is'nt as easy to achieve as some may think which will work like a polished SAR 8 blade.

I use mine in conjunction with my Basic 9 which is coated. The Basic 9 is on my military kit. The SAR 8 is often in my backpack for hiking. If I take the B9 I always have a satin smaller blade to cover off the above tasks only satin can do. If I carry just the one blade ... the SAR 8 is the top choice.

I also believe that a zero ground fully convex SAR8 is likely to out chop a coated R9. The blade shape and edge design works in it's favour. You will be suprised how a painted finish can seem to take some of the depth out of a chopping stroke. Plain steel does bite deeper.

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The SAR 8 can handle campsite "fire prep" chores really well ... the type of handle it has enables a really good rearward grip for chopping. Makes the blade feel like your using a 10.5 inch knife if you were holding this length in a normal grip. The knife therefore chops way above it's " blade length" category/weight would suggest.
 
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