SAR8 vs. R9?

Has anyone modded a Rodent 9 yet?

If the Rodent 9 handle doesn't work for me I'm thinking of sanding off the handle hump, or at least reducing it's size. It looks like this would make the Rodent 9 handle very similar to the SAR8 which is no bad thing in my book.
 
I have Both I use the SAR8,,But just got the R9 i love the handle you can do more with it but havent used it yet,I think hands down it will make a better chopper but if your going to use it for food prep also,color coating could be a hassle unless you dont mind a little tree sap, in your food Lasty the SAR8 are going for 600/800.00 range lately on a good day 500.00 but ya got to be fast,so i go with the R9 because its avalable Right now,,save for the SAR8 you might come across a good deal later

Respect
Gary
 
From experience here are a few differences that might crop up with these different blades :

Food prep - the satin finish on the SAR 8 scores much higher for me as the satin enables you to know that resin or sap deposits are properly cleaned from the knife if used for chopping. A coated finish is much harder to tell. This much I know ... if you get the "trots" out in the field the extra cash needed for a satin finish will seem money you wished you had spent. All my food prep is done with a satin blade. I know from having a SAR 8 that little things ... such as the ability to dig the blade into "jars" of peanut butter or jam etc ... make the SAR blade very user friendly in the kitchen or in the Campsite role. People say they like folders for food prep etc ... one of the biggest time consuming PIA's was when I dropped a multi blade SAK into a jar of jam ... cleaning out the blades and recesses for the blades needed Q tips and wet wipes that seemed to take for ever. Since then I always prefer a fixed blade for food work.

- Ferro Rod use where you can use the "jimping" as a strike surface gives a great shower of sparks from the SAR. The knife is ideal for this. From experience with coated blades you are left either with the main edge as a strike surface or you create a sanded area for this. Or you don't use the knife. The SAR lives up to it's name well in being a great knife for fire prepertion with this feature.

- Twine and cord preperation whereby you can use the jimping as a scraper to remove nettle "pith" so you are left with the fiborous strands ( anchor the knife in a log and just draw the stems over the jimping ) or using it with pine roots for thicker "cord" or using it with the leg bones of deer to get really strong and fine thread ... all of these bushcraft techniques are possible where you will struggle to use the spine of the R9 with a coated finish. You would need to polish the spine by sandng it and make sure you get a good right angle edge to act as a scraper. Then with SR101 the spine will need some anti-rust care and attention.

- Heliograph use - the polished satin finish on the blade of a SAR8 enables you to use the talon hole in the pommel at the top of the handle to work the side of the blade as a mirror reflector for signalling any plane in the event of a rescue emergency for them to locate your position. One of the hardest things to do when planes are searching the bush for you is to be able to attract them from the ground. Heliograph techniques work far better than "fire" or "smoke" during the day time. Here is a simple pic to enable you to get the idea of how they work -

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Make a small hole with your left forefinger crooked towards your thumb for the distance hole on the lolipop as seen in the pic ... and the knife used like the mirror using the talon hole ... line up the knife to the sun and angle it until you can see the mirror glint on your left hand/fist and then move them in tandem so you bracket the plane in line with both holes and you will have the satin finish acting like a mirror to the pilot of the plane. Works really well and again makes the Search and Rescue aspect of the SAR design a significant advantage over a coated blade. Particularly handy when in the sea. I have used my SAR 8 doing SCUBA work and used it to signal the gemini to pick us up when we surfaced away from the boat. Works really well.

You basically get out of the SAR 8 a whole lot more "bushcraft" and "survival" functions than from a coated blade. Coated blades are really meant for a military applcation where "shine" is something you want to avoid and the trade off then makes sense. For civilian or even military amphibious use ... give me a satin blade all the time.

You could ofcourse strip the R9 and tweak it to work in the tasks given above ... but a ghetto satin is'nt as easy to achieve as some may think which will work like a polished SAR 8 blade.

I use mine in conjunction with my Basic 9 which is coated. The Basic 9 is on my military kit. The SAR 8 is often in my backpack for hiking. If I take the B9 I always have a satin smaller blade to cover off the above tasks only satin can do. If I carry just the one blade ... the SAR 8 is the top choice.

I also believe that a zero ground fully convex SAR8 is likely to out chop a coated R9. The blade shape and edge design works in it's favour. You will be suprised how a painted finish can seem to take some of the depth out of a chopping stroke. Plain steel does bite deeper.

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The SAR 8 can handle campsite "fire prep" chores really well ... the type of handle it has enables a really good rearward grip for chopping. Makes the blade feel like your using a 10.5 inch knife if you were holding this length in a normal grip. The knife therefore chops way above it's " blade length" category/weight would suggest.

Wow Peter, you sure know how to burst a guy's bubble!!

Excellent info though and I appreciate you sharing. :)

-Emt1581
 
Wait, if the R9 will do everything the SAR 8 will AND it can chop, wouldn't that make the R9 more versatile?

Thanks

-Emt1581

depends on how much weight is an issue. the SAR8 is lighter and faster.

not sure about the chopping comparison though. i took my SAR8 out to the woods to chop once and as much as i love it, it didn't seem to chop as well as i expected. on closer inspection, the shoulders of the edge were a bit thick. might be with some thinning it would chop better as peterphws has suggested
 
depends on how much weight is an issue. the SAR8 is lighter and faster.

not sure about the chopping comparison though. i took my SAR8 out to the woods to chop once and as much as i love it, it didn't seem to chop as well as i expected. on closer inspection, the shoulders of the edge were a bit thick. might be with some thinning it would chop better as peterphws has suggested

Chopper or not, it seems to be the only potential advantage over the SAR 8. I mean it's big, it's cheap, it's got a nice handle. I think Peter is stretching a bit with using it to signal...possible but I'll stick with a CD or Mirror. Other than that Peter does seem to be right and have excellent points.

No one I've seen has offered any evidence or experience to contradict him. Just in the nick of time to. I was going to order an R9 a few hours after his post.

-Emt1581
 
Experience to contradict? Ok, I'll play devil's advocate here.

Unless you have zero chance at all to carry a smaller satin or dcbb EDC like a SAR 3 (which has the jimping and can be picked up with a sheath plus a sheath for the R9 for the price difference) to handle your food tasks, I would say the food prep thing is not as important. Given a choice between a 3-5" blade for food/game prep and 8.5", I'll take the smaller one every time.

The mirror thing is just what you said, but also keep in mind stripping a coating off and working it to ghetto satin is time consuming, but not difficult and far from being a deciding factor for me, especially since it doesn't need to be the entire blade, just the from the edge up to the flat part of the saber grind.

The jimping for a fire steel is a good point, but again: in an emergency the edge of any knife will get the job done if you can't get your hands on the typically included striker, a key, a screwdriver, a leatherman, any random piece of flat scrap steel with a corner on it or the squared spine of a different knife.


Bottom line is what do you have to lose by trying the R9 first? It might be just what you are looking for and easy to get your money back on if it isn't. Buy whichever one you really want though, not just what others tell you.
 
depends on how much weight is an issue. the SAR8 is lighter and faster.

not sure about the chopping comparison though. i took my SAR8 out to the woods to chop once and as much as i love it, it didn't seem to chop as well as i expected. on closer inspection, the shoulders of the edge were a bit thick. might be with some thinning it would chop better as peterphws has suggested

Yes, your right, my edges are thinned :thumbup:

The SAR 8 is like many convex Busse's from the shop .... it has an edge profile for the people who may want to use the knife to chop through a breeze block or other extreme use ... I call this type of convex edge a "pear drop" shape .... I like my fully convex "zero" edges to be thinner in the shoulder or more "apple seed" shape ...

Here is a pic of the SAR 8 I put in another thread by EMT ...

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If you angle the screen of your lap top right you should see the brighter polished area near the edge ... more visible on the belly curve ... this is where I have thinned the shoulder down. This radically improves the chopping ability. Hence my comment about a "zero" convex edge ... the early Busse's with the special "zero" prefix came with thinner fully convex edges.

Here is another angle of the same knife ...

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This shows how on the "flat" part of the edge I took the thinning from slightly higher than on the belly towards the tip ... giving this area a much sharper edge which bites deeper and the curved belly is sharper than the factory grind but is not too thin that if catching stones on the ground when chopping you run the risk of chips or "dinks". The edge I use will just "roll" if this happens and can easily be steeled back into alignment.

All my fully convex edges are done like this from my Zilla's to my stripped NMFBM and tweaked Skinny Ash and stripped NMSFNO.

Here is the Skinny Ash ...

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Here is the NMSFNO ( bottom knife for the newer members )

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All pic's were taken in cloudy wet "England" where even a mirror will struggle to work as a heliograph when the sun is'nt out. However, when the sun is out ... all of the above blades work "well" if you need to use them in this function. I deliberately give them this sort of finish so that they can.

Carrying a CD or a mirror around to do a single task like that is up to you ... but you would run the risk of a few "wise crack" jokes as to where you were going to store it if diving with my unit ( pun intended :D ) ...
 
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