Sas Survival Secrets

"Craig_PHX

The BBC managers and the officer in change should be tried for treason for showing this! "
Whys that craig? You dont think any of that stuff is operationally secure stuff do you? lol. You dont REALLY think an overtly pronounced sas team sergeant would walk the entire world thru all of his proprietary mission essential tricks do you lol? Trust me, whats show there, is already known. any military that has a special section, already does this shit. its pretty common knowledge man. the people I think should be in jail, is globalsecurity... they show all sorts of shit im not sure i want the world reading..
 
This show airs in Canada fairly regularly on a few channels. Some stuff is pretty good, others are "interesting".
 
"Craig_PHX

The BBC managers and the officer in change should be tried for treason for showing this! "
Whys that craig? You dont think any of that stuff is operationally secure stuff do you? lol. You dont REALLY think an overtly pronounced sas team sergeant would walk the entire world thru all of his proprietary mission essential tricks do you lol? Trust me, whats show there, is already known. any military that has a special section, already does this shit. its pretty common knowledge man. the people I think should be in jail, is globalsecurity... they show all sorts of shit im not sure i want the world reading..

I'm picturing some raghead watching this and using it to help him kill, capture, and get information from our soldiers. :grumpy:
 
good thinking.. and thanks for the concern as well :) its good to know people are pullin for us. but, to help you out with your concerns, first off, most people already know the stuff. what LITTLE they showed you, is standard operating procedures for many special units. its pretty standard. secondly, i could get into even more detail than they do, in describing for example, isoprep, iso, insertion, execution, extraction, debriefing/dissemination, and recovery, and you (as a raghead) still wouldnt be any further ahead than if you knew nothing at all. You still wouldnt know which target is being overwatched, or planned for an airstrike. If you even had an idea, you still wouldnt know when. Trust me. Any specialized 'team' of servicemembers, can, at will, sneak onto an objective, get what they need to get done, and get out, and you'd have zero clue as to what just happened. if it needs closer inspection... well then its not even military anymore.. thats governmental spy shit there. thats not a military team observing from the weeds mission anymore. its a "board a jet, land in that country, get a job there, and become a citizen" mission. over the course of a few months, send sitreps or PIR back as you go, (situation reports and priority intelligence requirements) and when the needed intel is sent, that guy just up and leaves the country. He'll be their nationality as well. None will ever know. (every country on this entire planet does that as well)

Governments, ranging from little hole in the wall operations in south america, all the way up to saddams huge setup, know all about how war is waged, and what is done, from a private digging a foxhole, all the way to their 4 star generals, going to 'war college' and everything in between. For example, in the first gulf war.. out of nowhere, laser guided bombs were just smackin single buildings..with pinpoint accuracy... I mean out of NOwhere.. Its obvious that pretty much back then, the only people that had this type of technology, and hated saddam, was the u.s. AND, pretty much (usually) the only way a bomb could be THAT accurate, was if it was riding a laser to its target. guess the only way it could have done that.. exactly. now, if you were a ground commander in saddams army, where would you put a team for the target acquisition role at... ok, now send dog teams out there.. Its pretty obvious stuff. there isnt really any secrets in the military like you think there is. we TRY to keep stuff classified, but it never stays secret for long. And even if they knew, what are they goin to do about it? lol, well smoke em anyways. Theres no defense against us man. we can strike any target, from land, air or sea, static or moving, at anytime we want. the ONLY variable is, stealth. and MOST of the stealth, is only to hide our intentions from other countries, so as not to piss them off lol. at that point, its not military again.. its a spy poisoning someone at that level. They're good, trust me. Good lookin out though.
 
wow.. theres some crazy shit on that liveleak. tons of video from iraq.. wow. brings back lots of memories.. I tell ya what. i sure miss their food lol.
 
The only truly secret special forces group is canada JTF2, apparently one of the better ones as well.
 
if you know about it.. how truly secret is it then?
All I know is, the cia and nsa is pretty much the most secretive forces ive ever seen. I havent seen anything top that so far.
 
Well, they arent allowed to have their faces shown in the media, for one thing. In some sort of special forces competition for snipers or some such thing on tv a few years back, the canadians had their faces blurred, it was quite mysterious, they also won several years in a row.

Heres an article from wikipedia;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JTF2

Of course I am probably biased:D
Its a silly argument as to who has the best, so much happens that is secret.
But many are quick to say the SAS is the best, simply because everyone knows about them.
But a canadian special forces sniper does have the longest confirmed kill, at 2.4 kilometers I believe.

Heres a cool story;

Wait due to 'Canadian protocol'
A kill from 2,430 metres
Michael Smith and Chris Wattie
National Post
© 2002 National Post Online
National Post Online is a Hollinger / CanWest Publication.


The United States wants to give two teams of Canadian snipers the Bronze Star, a decoration for bravery, for their work in rooting out Taliban and al-Qaeda holdouts in eastern Afghanistan, but Canadian defence officials put the medals on hold, the National Post has learned.

The five snipers spent 19 days fighting alongside the scout platoon of the United States Army's 187th "Rakkasan" brigade last month, clearing out diehard fighters from the mountains near Gardez in eastern Afghanistan.

The Americans were so impressed by the Canadian snipers that they recommended them for medals after the battle.

Sources told the Post that U.S. General Warren Edwards had already signed the recommendation for five Bronze Stars for the sniper teams, drawn from 3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, last month. Gen. Edwards, deputy commanding general of coalition land forces in Afghanistan, had recommended three Canadians for a Bronze Star and two for a Bronze Star with distinction.

The night before the troops were to be awarded the medals, about three weeks ago, Canadian military officials in Ottawa put the decorations on hold, according to a U.S. Army source in Afghanistan.

The Canadian military told their U.S. counterparts to wait before awarding the medals for reasons of "Canadian protocol."

Spokesmen for the Department of National Defence would not comment on the award last night, but a source within the department said the medals are on hold while the military decides whether or not to award the men a similar Canadian decoration.

However, Dr. David Bercuson, director of the Centre of Military and Strategic Studies at the University of Calgary, said the real reason for the delay was likely official squeamishness.

"Canadians don't kill -- they don't even use the word kill; that's the problem," he said. "I think the military is not sure that the government is prepared to accept the fact, let alone celebrate the fact ... that Canadian soldiers do sometimes end up killing people."

Many of the U.S. scouts who worked directly with the Canadian snipers were incensed that the Canadians did not get the Bronze Star, the medal for bravery the U.S. military usually gives foreign soldiers serving alongside its troops.

The snipers themselves, all of whom spoke on condition their names not be printed, have said they would prefer to receive a medal from their peers in the field rather than from National Defence Headquarters in Ottawa.

Dr. Bercuson said there should be no objection to Canadians receiving a U.S. decoration: As recently as the Gulf War, two Canadian CF-18 pilots were given the Bronze Star.

He said the medals would be a badly needed boost to the morale of the almost 900 Canadian soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan, especially after four of their comrades were killed and eight others wounded in last week's friendly fire incident.

"Absolutely they should get it," Dr. Bercuson said. "It would be good for the morale of the guys and good for the morale of the whole unit, and they need a morale boost right now."

Canadian snipers were reportedly outstanding in the fighting around the mountainous al-Qaeda bastion east of Gardez, code-named Operation Anaconda.

The battle pitted the two Canadian sniper teams against an enemy that showered the assaulting coalition troops with mortars and machine-gun fire as soon as they jumped from their helicopters.

One member of the team, a corporal from Newfoundland, said on his first night in combat he and his partner got an al-Qaeda machine gun in their sights as it was hailing bullets down on U.S. troops below.

Crawling up into a good position, they set up their .50-calibre rifle -- the MacMillan Tac-50, a weapon the corporal compares to having superhuman power in your hands. "Firing it feels like someone slashing you on the back of your hockey helmet with a hockey stick."

When he hit his first target, an enemy gunman at a distance of 1,700 metres, he said all that ran through his mind was locating his next target.

"All I thought of was Sept. 11th and all those people who didn't have a chance and the American reporter who was taken hostage, murdered and his wife getting the videotape of the execution; that is my justification."

A master corporal from Ontario, the lead sniper of his three-man team, said when they first landed in the combat zone "our spider senses were tingling.... It was night and we didn't know what to expect."

By daylight, after coming under enemy machine-gun fire, he managed to ease his rifle barrel between two rocks and quickly located an enemy sniper hiding behind a small piece of corrugated steel between two trees. He guessed the distance at 1,700 metres and fired one shot through the metal, killing the man instantly.

He said afterward he remembered thinking: "That's one less bullet that's gonna be coming at us, one less person we have to think about."

During the next four days of fighting, the Newfoundland corporal set what is believed to be a record for a long-distance shot under combat conditions, hitting an enemy gunman at a distance of 2,430 metres.

The days of crawling, shooting and long hours waiting in cover left the Canadian snipers exhausted. "You don't realize what you've done to your body and how tired you are till it's all done. I think we slept 14 or 15 hours when we got back," the master corporal said.

Three of them, along with U.S. special forces soldiers, also rescued a company of the U.S. 101st Airborne Division that was pinned down by enemy fire on the first day of Operation Anaconda.

They also participated in Operation Harpoon, with Canadian troops on "the whale," a mountain overlooking the Shah-e-Kot valley where al-Qaeda fighters were putting up stiff resistance.

Operation Harpoon, carried out in conjunction with Operation Anaconda, consisted of 500 Canadian and 100 U.S. troops under the command of Lieutenant-Colonel Pat Stogran, who leads Canadian Forces in Afghanistan in the biggest ground offensive since the Korean War.

Lieutenant Justin Overbaugh, of the American scout platoon to which the Canadian snipers were attached, said it was a pleasure to work with the Canadian troops.

"Their professionalism was amazing," Lieut. Overbaugh said. "The Canadians were a very large asset to the mission. I would have loved to have 12 Canadian sniper teams out there. I'd have no problems fighting alongside of them again."

He said the Canadian snipers had equipment far superior to theirs. Their rifles had longer range than the U.S. weapons and better high-tech sights. Lieut. Overbaugh said if another mission comes up, he will request the Canadian sniper teams be sent with his unit.

Senior military officials in Ottawa made a point of praising their work at the time. "The sniper teams suppressed enemy mortars and heavy machine-gun positions with deadly accuracy," Vice-Admiral Greg Maddison said after Operation Harpoon ended. "Their skills are credited with likely having saved many allied lives."
 
How are you guys viewing this video? I have been trying since this post and it keeps telling me that the "video is not currently available".

Edit: Nevermind. I think it's my security program on my computer preventing it from showing.
 
hey can anyone find the 3rd part??

its intresting because we can learn from them remember the camoflauge, if he did not stand, i think no one will know he is there...
 
as far as those canadians are concerned (not taking anything away from their talents) but if a government REALLY wanted to keep a unit quiet, they would. if you know about them, then theyre not a 'secret squirrel' type unit then. but nonetheless, if the roks recommended them for a medal, then they deserve it. if its good enough for the rakkasans, its good enough for me. The roks are quite an exceptional unit (very hard) and id respect any award recommendations they'd put forth.
as for them having to have their faces blurred out, thats just operational security common sense. you never want your face on tv. cuz they have tv too. if they catch your butt in their backyards, and then match your face up, theyll know who you are. and for that shot? thats a really long shot! of the confirmed ones... what about the unconfirmed ones :)

And being the best? yea, youre right, that argument has been goin on for years, though only by non 'special' people though. as far as what special unit is better.. the real question lies in 'what' theyre good at?
Each unit has a different function. You cant have them compete, its an impossibility. They perform entirely different tasks. Though, you could compete two of the same type of units from different countries. Like the sniper competitions... it always evolves. im not sure any one unit has a total domination over another in the long range shooting fields. You could have an exceptional shot come up to the firing line, and right after he squeezes off the match winning round, a full value wind from the right could swoop down, 1100 metres downrange and ruin his shot, leaving the slightly less talented sniper to win the match. Its a lot of luck too.
As for overall talent competitions, i believe that rotates as well. some units dont get to enter in the comps because they are either deployed, or forbidden due to anonymity reasons. so, like i said, its a pretty worthless argument for the most part. There is no 'best' I think.

I sort of look at their history to assess. but then, thats not really a good measure either.. ya always hear of the 'delta force' in the u.s. being the best in the world.. . well what experience would they have, compared to say an israeli unit? THOSE guys do the REAL deal each and EVERY day. day in, and day out. for REAL reasons too, not some head honcho sittin high on the hog, and just decides he wants 'this' for his own reasons.... they do it cuz the fightings on their own soil... much more of a motivation in my eyes.
So who knows...
 
Some country like say, argentina, could have the crackest force in the world, and we dont even know if argentina has an army. A lot of it is in the dark, and not just to civillians.
A lot of what Canadians know about JTF2 was found out from american news sources, when Canadian troops were first shown in Afghanistan, and the government was left with some egg on its face when it was found our own prime minister didn't even know about it.
 
Very cool vid. I always enjoy when I catch shows like this on SEALS, Rangers etc. Great stuff!
 
Does anybody know what that fixedblade in the vid is? The folder was an Opinel I believe.
 
your own prime minister didnt know about it? thats good stuff lol. im not sure how the americans found out about them but.. someone was obviously spoutin their name off. we were on post for 3 months in iraq, before anyone even knew who we were hehe. there goes their secrecy i guess. ahh well, like i said before, who cares. theyll still put a .50 cal bullet in your ass at 2.4 clicks lol. whether you know about em or not. and yea, that folder was an opinel. i didnt catch the fixed though.
 
Anyone have any experince with that opinel folding saw? My #8 is a great blade, and I'm looking for a folding saw.
 
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