Saw something disturbing on TV...

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SpyderJon

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I was watching the TV the other night, when I saw an ad for a movie opening soon. I don't remember the name of it, but it's pretty standard fare- girl has an affair with a guy, guy disappears and is presumed dead, guy comes back to stalk girl and she's not believed, she probably kills him in the end.

Anyway, what disturbed me the MOST, though, was that in the comercial for the movie, they showed a Spyderco Police model (I believe) gleaming menacingly in the light. Now, we all know that knives don't exactly enjoy a great reputation in our society, but I have to say that nothing pisses me off more than when some stupid Hollywood exec. decides to use something like the Spyderco Police to prop up their predictable, and stupid plot. I love spydercos, and I'm personally tired of seeing them used as some ubiquitous symbol of bad guys everywhere. It's like the butterfly knives of the 80s martial arts movies- every bad guy had to have one. What a crock!

Sorry for the rant, I just needed to vent my own personal frustrations, as I'm tired of using a Spydie and being associated as some kind of evil-doer! And I get those looks for a SS DELICA! Imagine if I actually DID pull and use a Police! :rolleyes:

Sometimes people are really dumb!:grumpy: :o :rolleyes:
 
I never consider any producers, script writers, directors and stuff in Hollywood being very smart.
If they could screw up a decent story like Red Dragon to the junk that people have told me, think of the bad images they can think of about knives and guns?
 
On the official Fight Club site (click "5" -> "Jack"), the Spyderco Police is wrongly described as:


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Butterfly Buck Knife
TWO KNIVES FOR THE PRICE OF ONE!
An innovative combination of the World's Most Popular Assult (sic) Cutlery. With the mechanics of the classic butterfly-knife- commonly used by thieves, miscreants and devieants (sic)- coupled with the brutal precision of a back country buck knife it is the blade for today's man. Whether your (sic) skinning tonight's dinner or extracting unwanted sharpnel, this knife has the answer for any problem.
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Hrm... Someone needs to check their speling and gramer. And they also need to do more research on what exactly a Spyderco Police is... :)
 
Dont get me started...

Interesting how in movies, you can hear them manually cock the hammer on a GLOCK!!! Hmmm, that must be a new model. :)

Then theres those semi-auto pistols that have magazines that look normal, they fit flush with the butt of the gun, and yet, they shoot 50 or 60 rounds before needing to reload! Where can i get one of THOSE!

And finally, i love it when someone spins the chamber on a revolver and we're treated to that clicking whirr, hmmm, now why cant I get my revolvers to make that sound?

The point is, people who make movies, with but a few exceptions, do any number of things that are completely inaccurate to those of us who know the difference, in order to make the scene more sensational.
 
What about the times when the character's pistol switches from gun to gun in the middle of a fight? He's holding a 1911, for example, and the next thing you see is that it is a revolver. A more common one is having a single action pistol run out of ammunition without the slide going back and the hero keeps pulling the trigger and the gun makes clicking sounds. I even saw a show where somone had a Browning Hi-Power in .38 special. In the really bad ones a doctor will operate on a shooting victim and remove an entire unfired cartridge from the wound.:barf:

On some shows "commandos" and "survival experts" use those $5.00 hollow handle POS knives from the 1980s. I think there was a show where someone got stabbed with one of the blunt Spydercos.
 
Ha now that someone brings this up about knives and gun change from scene to scene.In the movie Sniper with Tom Barenger there is a scene where he uses his partner as bait to set up the other sniper.As he does this, Tom Barenger ties a KABAR to a branch and drops it in the water,The bad guy sniper hears it and puts his cross hairs on the knife in the water,guess what kind of knife is bobbing in the water Cheap ass POS hollow handle survival knife with compass on the end of the handle,Then after he kills the bad sniper Barenger goes to retrieve his knife,guess what he pulls out of the water a KABAR.

Man some people just dont care:(
 
It irks me when you read in the newspaper about an officer firing his "service revolver" when the whole department has been using semi-autos for years. If the reporter doesn't know what kind of gun was used, why should I believe the rest of his angle?

Also when you read about "heavily armed troops" being deployed. As opposed to lightly armed? "Oh, I'll think I'll just take the ole flintlock today, doesn't look like much trouble out there..."

Not to mention "high powered rifle." Funny how no bad guy ever uses a low power one....
 
well guys Im afraid with everything thats happened last year these things make it worse. theres been a few movies that have branded the spydercos as being "evil". the events of this past year have made it worse.
It seems as time goes on, the more trash like this thats produced will unfortunately continue to "breed" fear and ignorance. people will continue to become paranoid, while the media happily feeds this. I remember years ago when I was in the AF I owned a few autos one of them being a ruger p85. I remember when they were talking about banning the 15 shot clips I could'nt believe they would do something so ridiculous, but they did. many thought it would never happen.

Now the subject is knives. They ban the carry of them on airplanes, buses, and whats next? aside from the local laws most states have, that are usually twisted by some law enforcement.

of course theres another side to this also. many in law enforcement have better things to do than stop every person with a knife clipped to there pocket.
its usually, but not always, when something is done, or they look suspicious that they take notice. Now unfortunatley theres alot of paranoia going around.

what can we do? well for those who refer to knives as weapons, that needs to stop. the knife ads that are out there that advertise knives as weapons, that needs to stop. it doesnt matter if its a knife for combat people will see it as a vicious weapon.
I make knives, and my one handed, pocket clip folders are "utility knives". The sheath knives I produce are just that. now some will think this is ridiculous, but why give anyone gas to throw on the fire?
as time goes on we lose more freedoms. as amercians we tend to be lazy, and most of us would rather depend on the govt to make decisions for us. so instead of taking an active roll in voting, ect. we think its easier to sit down and let someone else decide for us. Now I am all for obeying the law, so please let no one mistake this, but if we want to keep our freedoms we have to be responsible and take an active part in society (vote, speak, ect. after all isnt that what they do? isnt that how they got rid of certain guns?). We cant be like everyone else and think that "inatimate objects" are the problem.

I would venture to say that most everyone here is law abiding and resposible. the media and hollywood will continue to pain a picture of psychopathic killers holding spydercos, ect. :eek:
 
There have been any number of threads about knives used in movies and tv shows, many of them groaning about how the knives are always portrayed as weapons of evil intent, especially the Spyderco Police and their various hawkbill models, see "The Client" and "Hannibal" for examples. But this is not always the case. There was a movie with Sir Anthony Hopkins where he used a beautiful custom knife as a survival tool and there was a scene from the "Buffy" show a few years back where Oz, one of the characters, whips out a serrated Delica to strip some wires before splicing them, a purely everyday use of the knife that almost all of us have done at one time or another.

As to guns misused in movies, there is a thread in Community Center, http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=223540 on this question specifically. Some of the posts are downright hilarious.
 
I got a kick out of Fox and friends this morning, they said the balistics experts investigating that Sniper in Maryland had narrowed down the gun to one of two models, a Colt AR-15, or an M-14. If they can't tell the diffrence between a 5.56mm and a 7.62mm, then those balistics experts need a bit of amateure help! Now I know they must have told the media, an Mini-14, not M-14, but I don't guess you can expect a liberally-biast media type to actually do the bit of research it would take to develop a working knowlege of weapons when they only report on them, day in, day out, over a period of years.
 
I had a college professor who was an "expert" on military history, strategy, and weapons. One day he was speaking out against "assault pistols" which he said were accurate to 1000 yds, could empty their "clips" in 1/2 a second, and were less than 1 ft long. He was complaining that they were legal and cheap. Does anyone know where I can get one of these?
 
Does anyone remember our congresswoman "friend" Dianne Fienstein when she was talking about the evil AK-47 and said that anyone could readily buy 500 round "clips" for them, and that these "clips" came pre-loaded!

There are so many things wrong with that statement it boggles the mind. Yes, she obviously meant "magazines" not "clips", she was talking possibly about the 100 round drums, but a 500 round drum? If anyone knows where i can get one, please let me know, even though the rifle would now weigh about 300 lbs.. :) And the "pre-loaded" concept is something im not famailiar with, in fact, probably no thinking person is familiar with it, this side of fantasy-land. And she is making our law. :(

Isnt it also true that she who would stamp out our constitutional right to keep and bear arms applied for and received a concealed weapons permit? Talk about elitism. :barf:
 
Originally posted by Benjamin Liu
I had a college professor who was an "expert" on military history, strategy, and weapons. One day he was speaking out against "assault pistols" which he said were accurate to 1000 yds, could empty their "clips" in 1/2 a second, and were less than 1 ft long. He was complaining that they were legal and cheap. Does anyone know where I can get one of these?
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Yes Ben, those pistols were readily available in The Matrix. Where anything one can imagine is possible. Oh, you meant here in reality, then, er, no. :)
 
what can we do? well for those who refer to knives as weapons, that needs to stop.
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rev_jch, I understand the point of your post and why you would feel this way, but I don't agree that this is always the right thing to do.

I refer to my knives as tools, because that is how I use them. If someone else is legally carrying a knife in their state and city, is trained in the use of knives for self-defense, and has the right low-key, responsible mindset about carrying a self-defense item, then I don't think such a person needs to be apologetic about it or deny that it is a weapon.

Should they brag about the weapon in their pocket? No. Should they explain to people that it is useful as a tool? Yes. But if he or she is a law-abiding citizen, I don't think they should equivocate about the fact that it can be used as a weapon. The media images that the original poster mentioned play up knives as something that only criminals use. We need to counterbalance those images with the fact that knives can also be used for legitimate self-defense.

Just my $0.02...
 
Well it is the state you live in or the country you live (or the judge) who knows what is best for you. They pass these laws because they know what is best for us.
The media does not help.
I for one am so glad they are taking care of me!
if he or she is a law-abiding citizen, I don't think they should equivocate about the fact that it can be used as a weapon.
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Lets all obey the law because..........
I am and try to obey all laws. It is just some I don't understand. It is not the knife (or gun) that is bad.
IMO Am I preaching to the _____..........
 
Originally posted by tarsier

Should they brag about the weapon in their pocket? No. Should they explain to people that it is useful as a tool? Yes. But if he or she is a law-abiding citizen, I don't think they should equivocate about the fact that it can be used as a weapon. The media images that the original poster mentioned play up knives as something that only criminals use. We need to counterbalance those images with the fact that knives can also be used for legitimate self-defense.
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Or like I explained to a coworker, your common street thug isn't going to be carrying a $50 or $100 factory knife or $300 custom knife to commit his special crimes, he's gonna steal a long screwdriver from the toolbox at work or a butcher or steak knife out of somebody's kitchen. At the end, I don't think I really changed her mind, but she was more educated.

Matt in TExas
 
I for one have had my fill, of being asked to modify my behavior and go out of my way to avoid offending a bunch of whiney liberal limp noodles, looking for somthing to take offence at. I don't really give a damn if I offend you, because anyone out looking for an excuse to take offence at somthing I do, say, believe, or advocate, is an offence to me, and I hope they find me as offensive as I find them! I'm offended that my local juniour college celebrated "Black History Month" THREE DIFFRENT MONTHS last year, but would not observe the "Battle of Flowers", or anniversary of the Alamo. I'm offended that they observed "Sinco de Mayo" but would not observe "Fourth of July" or "Memorial Day". They had a four day weekend for MLK's birthday, but ignored "Easter". They even banned nativity scenes from Christmas decorations and advocated saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmass". I went around posting copies of the Christmass Story on all the minora's and Santa decorations, and passed out flyers with a short essay reminding everyone that no where in the bill of rights does it guarontee you the right not to be offended by anyone! I just mailed my congressional representative, Charles Gonzales, who just voted against the resalution to give Bush authority to use force against Iraq, a San Jacinto battle flag, and a petition from his constituants, with three pages of signatures, requesting his resignation. This weekend theirs a protest against war with Iraq, maby I'll decide to do some protesting of my own, and stroll by it, wearing my Desert-Storm campaign ribbon, and CIB. If someone banns handguns, I'll carry a shotgun, if they barr knives, I'll carry an AXE!
 
If firearms and knives are banned, the only solution of a true American is not to find substitute weapons but to use them on those who try to take them.
 
I think who ever is in charge needs to outlaw all and everything that can be made into a weapon. as in, knives, guns, pencels, pens, nail files, ice picks, screw drivers, razor blades, razors, ect, ect,ect,......
I saw a guy on TV charged with assault with a deadly weapon when he tried to run over some one. Try to conceal that in your pocket.
"But Sir, I have a Concealed Weapon Permit."
 
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