Scagel Madness.... by request

what are these Scagel knives worth?

is small fortune $50,000 and large fortune $100,000? or is it more?
 
2knife said:
Was Dr. Lucie the first ... or were there others?
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No, not by a long shot. Scagel's knives were in demand from early on in his career. Bo Randall who founded Randall Made Knives probably did the most to popularize Scagel's knives on a large scale but there have been others. A number of articles were written about him over the years and Harry McEvoy published a small booklet about Scagel that is still available (I think) today. Dr. Lucie knew Scagel and was his personal physician in the later years until Scagel's death in the early 1960s. He is recognized as the foremost authority on Scagel and a very active collector of all things Scagel.
 
severedthumbs said:
what are these Scagel knives worth?

is small fortune $50,000 and large fortune $100,000? or is it more?
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No, less actually. eBay is always a good source for finding out what things actually sell for. Most of the Scagel knives that I've seen come up on eBay have not been the most desirable ones. The real cream of the crop, as with any collectible, are often bought and sold privately which makes establishing useful values difficult. What I think I can safely say though is that, for example, a knife/sheath combo as exemplary as #1 above probably couldn't be had for anything less than 25K. In my opinion #2 is probably more valuable and #3 slightly less than #1. Single knives like those in picture #4 might bring a couple of thousand if of good quality. There are better experts than me out there so please take what I say as ballpark type figures only - educated guesses you might say, but still guesses.
 
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thanks. the second one is my favorite of the ones posted.

many of the knives seem to have blunt tips. is this just due to age or were some made this way?
 
Buddy,

Thanks for posting the Scagels. Great knives. I also like the first one the most.

Jim Treacy
 
Buddy,
Thanks for the answers, a few more of my curiosities:
I discovered doing a websearch, AG Russell described (most knife collectors were unfamiliar with Scagel in the 60s and 70s.? )

http://www.agrussell.com/article.asp?ai=126&bhcd2=1229391309

..is this because Most knife collecting in this era dealt with factory "pocketknife" collecting?

Regarding the many people making Scagel style knives, Welling, Behring, Bethke, Dr. Lucie, etc... My observation is that you can pick out the characteristics of each of these makers, without straining your eyesight too much. Lora Sue's knives look nice to me, good attention on each in , in form. I've seen Dr. Lucie's sheathwork and think it really stands out from the rest. Wow! it looks good.
Charles Oches makes a nice copy of the fixed knife that has the small fold out pen blade- he uses a disc grinder. (?) with good effect.

Hands down best Scagel copy i've ever seen was by Dr. James Batson. A folder. Amazing knife! It looked as good as anything i've ever laid eyes on..

I enjoy hearing about Scagel ,the man. Any stories would be appreciated. I have heard a few already.

I remember years ago seeing a tv program about a sculptor, a boy who had an incredible gift at a very young age. He could see it from life, like on a grid, and recreate it- just brings it to mind.

Buddy,
Is there any association of Scagel and Webster Marble design-wise. I owned several examples of the patent pending woodcraft made in 1915. It has the leather washer handle/stag butt. If you didn't know you'd think it was also made by Scagel.
David
 
2knife said:
Is there any association of Scagel and Webster Marble design-wise.
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David - Sorry about my delayed response. I don't think there will ever be an answer to that question, though many have wondered. Here's one I photographed from Dr. Lucie's collection and it just adds more fuel to the fire that keeps that question alive:

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Either Scagel copied Marbles or Marbles copied Scagel, but this design is definitely what most folks would immediately recognize today as the Marbles Safety Knife. Unfortunately there is no historical record concerning this Scagel knife, and there are many possible explanations. We will never know the truth unless some currently unknown facts emerge down the line.
 
Really great knives !
I also like the beautiful Ricasso-blade line of #1.
Thank you for sharing !
 
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