Scale of Quality regarding EDC knives?

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**Don't mean to open a can of worms. Please be civil**

I don't post a lot here as I mostly browse the Traditional forum more than anywhere. But I cannot help but wonder when it comes to Production EDC knives in the $100, $200 and beyond range, whats considered top end, whats considered mid-level and whats considered a good value or affordable?

Reason I ask, I used to be huge knife collector years ago (I was into guns, too!) and would like to get back into the game. I sorta lost track of who was known for quality... Is MicroTech and Emerson still up there? Benchmade? Spyderco? Is CRK&T still a great value?

Please enlighten. Again, keep it civil. We're all entitled to our opinions. I'm here to re-learn modern knives.
 
Everyone has an opinion. It's your call.

Some people like knives under 50 bucks and cannot imagine spending more than $100 on a knife and over 200 is just out of this world crazy.

You have people who but $100-200 knives who think 400 is too much and $900 is out of this world.

You have people who buy $400-600 and think 900 is crazy and 1500 is out of this world.. And so on and so forth.

People on here regularly carry knives worth $5-5000 so who's to say what is value, what's mid range and what's expensive.
 
Based on my research, Spyderco and Benchmade seem to be the most popular brands for the $100-$200 range. There are smaller companies/manufacturers that make some cool models (example: freeman 451 blf) but benchmade and spyderco are the largest. Zero tolerance is up there as well, on the higher end. Reviews consistently speak highly of their quality (though I take each review with a grain of salt). Those would be the top three, but that it just my opinion, based on feedback I have seen.

I don't have enough experience to rate CRKT, but the one knife I have from them is perfect. That is no exaggeration either, blade centering is perfect, action is smooth, locks engage identically, the finish is gorgeous, no burrs or finish imperfections, very nice feel in the hand, symmetrical....nothing I can fault at any level.
 
Good point. I'm a cyclist. When I spent $600 for a bike, people thought I was nuts. The world-pro riders ride bikes that cost $12k. And each rider has 4 bikes at any given race!

Guess its all relative....
 
Good point. I'm a cyclist. When I spent $600 for a bike, people thought I was nuts. The world-pro riders ride bikes that cost $12k. And each rider has 4 bikes at any given race!

Guess its all relative....

So true, I have two bikes both around $3K+ and folks (even my wife) think I'm just nuts to spend that much on a bike, but I'd never spend $7K on a bike, and $12K is out of this world. As for knives I'm currently in the $100-200 range and think $900 is out of this world as Scurvy092 mentioned. I guess everyone has their limits for different things and for me the knives I'm finding in the $100-$200 range (especially when they can be had on FleeBay for a much better price than retail) fit my lust for great quality blades at a good price. I just purchased a Zero Tolerance 0562CF for around $170 and I love this knife, beautiful fit and finish, and I also have the ZT 0566 which is my EDC. I have a PM2 and a nice little Spyderco Dice which I carry when I wear slacks since they're both pretty light weight and slim but are great quality blades.
 
IMO, Benchmade and Spyderco remain right up there as far as dependable high quality production modern knives. Spyderco also has several budget models and the Byrd value line and these receive high praise for quality at a lower price level. Benchmade doesn't really have a value line although some of its HK models are lower priced. Kai's Zero Tolerance line ranks with Benchmade and Spyderco for quality but there are fewer models that appeal to me personally. Kai's Kershaw line covers medium to low priced knives that are almost always dependable and good value. These are the most consistent brands with which I have had experience.

I own only a few samples of other brands so I don't really have enough information to offer an opinion. However I do believe there are a lot of excellent knives out there made by several excellent companies.
 
It's hard to really pinpoint specifics, as there are some overlaps, some great deals, and some great let downs in every price point, regarding modern folders IMO, very generically and generally speaking, covering large groups to try and include everyone:

You can find some real serviceable and useable functionable blades in the $15-50 range. This is a HUGE market regarding production focus, a lot of choices to sift through geared toward your average Tom, Dick, and Harry, (and Jane & Mary), who walk into a store and just want a knife, with no idea about Steel types, designer names, etc... A large selection that includes your Kershaw imports, CRKT's, Buck's, Böker Magnums, small Spyderco imports and Byrds, and many more. There are some really decent value priced knives in this bunch, but generally very basic run of the mill steel selection. Something for everyone though. But also the largest selection of crap, since the general public is generally ignorant, brands like mTech and TacForce can thrive here because they may look "cool" or "nice", and at a great price the average consumer doesn't know any better.
Even the quality brands here, there are also a lot more frequent quality control issues in this bunch...

>$50-$125 you start getting nicer designs, steel upgrades, and typically more consistent fit and finish, but still plenty of questionable brands trying to fit in and squeeze by, and plenty of over priced products that leave a buyer wanting more for their money (or not knowing any better). But lots of "nicer" knives in here; American made Kershaws, Buck Avid and Pro series', Boker+, Fox knives, Cold Steels, full sized Spydercos, entry level Benchmade's and Kizers, Mcusta's, Viper's, and the likes thereof. You also see more CF and Exotic woods, Ti liners and frames, better and more intricate milling start appearing, as well as 154cm, D2, and Powder steels start appearing regularly. For many "average" folks, who don't follow, understand, or appreciate the finer details of knives, these are many of the nicest knives they'll ever own, be the it a $60 Buck Vantage Pro or a $125 Griptillian or Manix2.


Over $125 - $400 you get into the "nice" knives, even by the standards for us enthusiasts. Premium Production and entry level custom knives, For many die hard collectors, it seems these are the frequent edc's of choice. These are the knives many of us want, but due to pricing, for most of us we can't own them all (though we really really wish we could), so we have to decide which ones we "really" want most based on our likes, dislikes, experiences, etc. Here we have our ZT's, upgraded Spyderco's and Benchmade's, Lionsteels and Pohl Force, Brous, Gaurdian, Stedemon, HTM, Emerson, Rike, Kizer, Micotech, an entry level CRK or CKF; and the design, fit, finish, form, and function is all typically top notch here; premium washers and bearing pivots and blade steels and heat treats, sprint runs, as well as many original designs by top designers... Not your run of the mill stuff at this level. This is where knives really do stand out one from another, without mistake, and consumers have every reason and right to have high expectations, bordering on perfect, for any knife in this range. Fit and Finish mistakes here are rare, and unacceptable.
-Most normal people would never get to this level. "What? $130 for a knife? That's ridiculous!" They'll say...
-Most knife folks make themselves quite comfortable here, be it their pm2, 0770cf, 810 Contego, or a small Sebbie...

Once you get up to and above $400, you're in the pinnacle of mid-techs into customs, you are a true die hard enthusiast, (or maybe you're just rich, idk), but be it a Hinder or a Medford or CRK or CFK or Shirogorov, or Marfione, or Dew Hara, Gedraitis, gold class BM, ZT limited edition, or whatever, anything over $400 is the start of the next level stuff, be it $400.01 or $2,800, this is all creme of the crop stuff. Most people in general won't be (or simply can't financially justify) touching these. To those who can and do, regularly, (bluesbender), I think it's truly awesome, not so much the financial aspect, but to be in the mental frame of mind to be able to comfortably do so with a clear conscience. I applaud you. (seriously, no sarcasm or cynicism intended here). I'm in the boat who will comfortably admire from afar, and I thank all those who allow me to continue to admire in real world application. I'm not there mentally. Maybe one day that will change.
 
You can buy a near perfect folder for $12. There isn't any obvious scale here because all the Kia, Honda, Lincoln and VWs of knives are less than $60.

When you buy a $200 knife or a $1000 knife, it is the difference between buying a Maserati or a Lamborghini. These are luxury items, like Rolex or Panerai.

Just because the market expands up to greater levels of luxury pricing, that doesn't redefine what "affordable" or "mid-level" means. A Porsche 911 Turbo doesn't become mid-level just because Ferrari has a $500,000 car to sell you.
 
Good point. I'm a cyclist. When I spent $600 for a bike, people thought I was nuts. The world-pro riders ride bikes that cost $12k. And each rider has 4 bikes at any given race!

Guess its all relative....


ooooh a fellow cyclist! whatcha ridin buddy?
 
It's hard to really pinpoint specifics, as there are some overlaps, some great deals, and some great let downs in every price point, regarding modern folders IMO, very generically and generally speaking, covering large groups to try and include everyone:

You can find some real serviceable and useable functionable blades in the $15-50 range. This is a HUGE market regarding production focus, a lot of choices to sift through geared toward your average Tom, Dick, and Harry, (and Jane & Mary), who walk into a store and just want a knife, with no idea about Steel types, designer names, etc... A large selection that includes your Kershaw imports, CRKT's, Buck's, Böker Magnums, small Spyderco imports and Byrds, and many more. There are some really decent value priced knives in this bunch, but generally very basic run of the mill steel selection. Something for everyone though. But also the largest selection of crap, since the general public is generally ignorant, brands like mTech and TacForce can thrive here because they may look "cool" or "nice", and at a great price the average consumer doesn't know any better.
Even the quality brands here, there are also a lot more frequent quality control issues in this bunch...

>$50-$125 you start getting nicer designs, steel upgrades, and typically more consistent fit and finish, but still plenty of questionable brands trying to fit in and squeeze by, and plenty of over priced products that leave a buyer wanting more for their money (or not knowing any better). But lots of "nicer" knives in here; American made Kershaws, Buck Avid and Pro series', Boker+, Fox knives, Cold Steels, full sized Spydercos, entry level Benchmade's and Kizers, Mcusta's, Viper's, and the likes thereof. You also see more CF and Exotic woods, Ti liners and frames, better and more intricate milling start appearing, as well as 154cm, D2, and Powder steels start appearing regularly. For many "average" folks, who don't follow, understand, or appreciate the finer details of knives, these are many of the nicest knives they'll ever own, be the it a $60 Buck Vantage Pro or a $125 Griptillian or Manix2.


Over $125 - $400 you get into the "nice" knives, even by the standards for us enthusiasts. Premium Production and entry level custom knives, For many die hard collectors, it seems these are the frequent edc's of choice. These are the knives many of us want, but due to pricing, for most of us we can't own them all (though we really really wish we could), so we have to decide which ones we "really" want most based on our likes, dislikes, experiences, etc. Here we have our ZT's, upgraded Spyderco's and Benchmade's, Lionsteels and Pohl Force, Brous, Gaurdian, Stedemon, HTM, Emerson, Rike, Kizer, Micotech, an entry level CRK or CKF; and the design, fit, finish, form, and function is all typically top notch here; premium washers and bearing pivots and blade steels and heat treats, sprint runs, as well as many original designs by top designers... Not your run of the mill stuff at this level. This is where knives really do stand out one from another, without mistake, and consumers have every reason and right to have high expectations, bordering on perfect, for any knife in this range. Fit and Finish mistakes here are rare, and unacceptable.
-Most normal people would never get to this level. "What? $130 for a knife? That's ridiculous!" They'll say...
-Most knife folks make themselves quite comfortable here, be it their pm2, 0770cf, 810 Contego, or a small Sebbie...

Once you get up to and above $400, you're in the pinnacle of mid-techs into customs, you are a true die hard enthusiast, (or maybe you're just rich, idk), but be it a Hinder or a Medford or CRK or CFK or Shirogorov, or Marfione, or Dew Hara, Gedraitis, gold class BM, ZT limited edition, or whatever, anything over $400 is the start of the next level stuff, be it $400.01 or $2,800, this is all creme of the crop stuff. Most people in general won't be (or simply can't financially justify) touching these. To those who can and do, regularly, (bluesbender), I think it's truly awesome, not so much the financial aspect, but to be in the mental frame of mind to be able to comfortably do so with a clear conscience. I applaud you. (seriously, no sarcasm or cynicism intended here). I'm in the boat who will comfortably admire from afar, and I thank all those who allow me to continue to admire in real world application. I'm not there mentally. Maybe one day that will change.

Everything he wrote is right on target. I couldn't have said it better myself. With this info, you should be able to research enough knives to find something which appeals to you.
 
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