Scandi Tweener???

[randori]

I've looked at probably a thousand tweener mods on this forum and haven't seen any scandi grinds put to any of them. Is there a particular reason why there are no scandi grind 16's? Seems like it would be a great bushcraft knife

Anyway, I've decided to start my new becker collection with a BK16 that I will HOPEFULLY be able to order next week. I only have a couple of neckers right now. I've used scandi blades in the past in the woods and love the simplicity of the edge and ease of sharpening as well as the pure functionality. So I guess I'm going to figure out how to strip my brand new (soon to be ordered) BK16, scandi that bad boy, force a patina on it, and godspeed! that hooker.

Oh yeah...an I know the rules...if I do all that, I have to post pics. I'm on it! I've never done any modding to a knife in the past, so I can't promise what this will turn out like. My tweener may end up being an abomination lol.

Anyway...the point of this thread is simply to debate the usefulness of a scandi grind on a bk16. Good idea or not?

 

[Mundele]

The 16 comes with full flat grind or saber grind. In order to have a scandi grind you'd have to start with an unground blank.

 

[KiljoyKutlery]

The 16 comes with full flat grind or saber grind. In order to have a scandi grind you'd have to start with an unground blank.

Thats not entirely true. You could convert the Saber grind to scandi with some elbow grease...or a belt sander.
To the OP,
I am working on a Scandi Becker...this one might take a while. I figured out how to do it, and all that...I just need to buy the knife for the mod now..I think it will be a cool one. I don't know that it will be for everyone, but it will be cool to check out anyway.

 

[C_Tanner]

I've never been a fan of scandi grinds. I tried with the Moras and just didn't like them. They seem to be a love it or hate it grind.

 

[jim62]

I've looked at probably a thousand tweener mods on this forum and haven't seen any scandi grinds put to any of them. Is there a particular reason why there are no scandi grind 16's? Seems like it would be a great bushcraft knife

Anyway, I've decided to start my new becker collection with a BK16 that I will HOPEFULLY be able to order next week. I only have a couple of neckers right now. I've used scandi blades in the past in the woods and love the simplicity of the edge and ease of sharpening as well as the pure functionality. So I guess I'm going to figure out how to strip my brand new (soon to be ordered) BK16, scandi that bad boy, force a patina on it, and godspeed! that hooker.

Oh yeah...an I know the rules...if I do all that, I have to post pics. I'm on it! I've never done any modding to a knife in the past, so I can't promise what this will turn out like. My tweener may end up being an abomination lol.

Anyway...the point of this thread is simply to debate the usefulness of a scandi grind on a bk16. Good idea or not?

The answer is No and No.

You can't just "put" a Scandi grind on a blade that is already ground with a full height flat grind. Too much metal has been removed.

As to the Scandi grind itself if is not magic. works best with 1" or shallower blades due to the drag of the full thickness blade. Look at the Mora and other true Scandinavian knives.Most are less than 1" tall.

Yes, in recent years, some custom and semi custom knifemakers have slapped Scandi grins on Full height blades designed to be used with full flat or Hollow grinds. And those $200 knives are easily outperformed by Moras costing 1/10th the price.

IMHO, Putting a Scandi grind on any of the existing Tweeners would be like putting tractor tires on a Mercedes coupe.

If Ethan were to put, say a Helle Viking style Scandi blade on his tweener handle THAT would be a different story(And would make a hell of Scandi style knife_ but to just put a Scandi grin on the tweener blades as they currently exist- NO.

 

[jim62]

Thats not entirely true. You could convert the Saber grind to scandi with some elbow grease...or a belt sander.

The bottom line is you CANNOT make even a Saber ground Becker blade into a Scandi unless you grind a hell of a lot of metal off the bottom profile of the blade. Even then, it would look like dog crap.

 

[C_Tanner]

I figure if you want a good scandi, get a Blind Horse.

 

[CamH_16]

My BK-2 became a high scandi (well...technically scandivex) grind after convexing but it chipped very easily and had to reprofile it again. People talk about scandi ground beckers but I dont think they'll happen.

 

[KiljoyKutlery]

The bottom line is you CANNOT make even a Saber ground Becker blade into a Scandi unless you grind a hell of a lot of metal off the bottom profile of the blade. Even then, it would look like dog crap.

Really?
I converted an old Air Force survival saber ground knife to scandi...looked kinda cool. And it wasn't the worst job to do. I have a Jarvenpaa Aito that is a very thin Scandi, more than a saber ground BK16 would be after the grind.
I might even have some pics of that old Camillus...I will go check.

 

[jim62]

Really?
I converted an old Air Force survival saber ground knife to scandi...looked kinda cool. And it wasn't the worst job to do. I have a Jarvenpaa Aito that is a very thin Scandi, more than a BK16 would be after the grind.
I might even have some pics of that old Camillus...I will go check.

FWIW, the Airfrorce survival Knives have such a steep saber grind ,they basically ARE a scandi grind. Same with the Current KABAR USMC knives And they are not the same blade grind as any Saber ground Becker which are a far shallower grind

Rather than talk about how great your idea would be- prove it.

Invest $70 of your hard earned cash in a new Saber ground Limited edition BK16 from SMKW and show the class it can be done. Like I said, you'll have to grind so much off the bottom of the blade to get the bevel height and angle right it will be a total abortion.

 

[KiljoyKutlery]

FWIW, the Airfrorce survival Knives have such a steep saber grind ,they basically ARE a scandi grind. Same with the Current KABAR USMC knives And they are not the same blade grind as any Saber ground Becker which are a far shallower grind

Rather than talk about how great your idea would be- prove it.

Invest $70 of your hard earned cash in a new Saber ground Limited edition BK16 from SMKW and show the class it can be done. Like I said, you'll have to grind so much off the bottom of the blade to get the bevel height and angle right it will be a total abortion.

First of all. I never said it should be done in the first place..it was said that it could NOT be done, and I don't agree.
Second, its not my idea, this is a thread started by another member, I have plans for a BK2 conversion, not a tweener.
(kinda pisses me off that I have to explain my self, but you are getting a bit rowdy)
I have in fact converted an Camillus, which by the way is a HOLLOW ground (steep it may be) Saber grind to Scandi. This some how has got your panties in a bunch and you are throwing a gauntlet down...what ever. I did it, you don't like the idea or the thought ...so what, is it worth the high blood pressure?
The tweener conversion would require a bit of grinding, but so what? People add Choils and Cord cutting gut hooks, file work....Etching...the list goes on.
If someone wants to grind away on his blade...who are you to call his work or idea an abortion? Are you the guy who sets the bar...Hmm?
Your avatar says knife maker...I will look you up. I havn't seen anything you have done yet though.

 

[CamH_16]

First of all. I never said it should be done in the first place..it was said that it could NOT be done, and I don't agree.
Second, its not my idea, this is a thread started by another member, I have plans for a BK2 conversion, not a tweener.
(kinda pisses me off that I have to explain my self, but you are getting a bit rowdy)
I have in fact converted an Camillus, which by the way is a HOLLOW ground (steep it may be) Saber grind to Scandi. This some how has got your panties in a bunch and you are throwing a gauntlet down...what ever. I did it, you don't like the idea or the thought ...so what, is it worth the high blood pressure?
The tweener conversion would require a bit of grinding, but so what? People add Choils and Cord cutting gut hooks, file work....Etching...the list goes on.
If someone wants to grind away on his blade...who are you to call his work or idea an abortion? Are you the guy who sets the bar...Hmm?
Your avatar says knife maker...I will look you up. I havn't seen anything you have done yet though.

017 by CamH_16, on Flickr

Yep, people grind bits of their knives all the time. If you can do it go for it .

 

[KiljoyKutlery]

017 by CamH_16, on Flickr

Yep, people grind bits of their knives all the time. If you can do it go for it .

DUDE..that is awesome! Now I have to buy 2 more BK2's! you suck....Habilus Becker!
Jim62,
sorry if I am coming across a bit harsh..really. But what if someone out there has already ground on his knife to his liking, and just read our bickering. I bet he is less likely to post pics for fear of having it called names. Or, just knowing that unspoken insult are going on behind the scenes.
As a knife maker, you must realize that beauty is in the eye of the beholder in the knife world. I see knives all the time from production that look like poop to me, but someone is buying them...they must be, or they wouldn't make them, right?

 

[Kabarcamper]

ummm how bout' them Dodgers.........

 

[FAL'ER]

I think as far as a production run goes from KaBar, you're gonna be outta luck. I seem to remember Ethan hates Scandi's.

 

[totallynotalex]

I've looked at probably a thousand tweener mods on this forum and haven't seen any scandi grinds put to any of them. Is there a particular reason why there are no scandi grind 16's? Seems like it would be a great bushcraft knife

Anyway, I've decided to start my new becker collection with a BK16 that I will HOPEFULLY be able to order next week. I only have a couple of neckers right now. I've used scandi blades in the past in the woods and love the simplicity of the edge and ease of sharpening as well as the pure functionality. So I guess I'm going to figure out how to strip my brand new (soon to be ordered) BK16, scandi that bad boy, force a patina on it, and godspeed! that hooker.

Oh yeah...an I know the rules...if I do all that, I have to post pics. I'm on it! I've never done any modding to a knife in the past, so I can't promise what this will turn out like. My tweener may end up being an abomination lol.

Anyway...the point of this thread is simply to debate the usefulness of a scandi grind on a bk16. Good idea or not?

I say go for it man, just be sure to post pics of it when you're done :thumbup:

 

[jim62]

If someone wants to grind away on his blade...who are you to call his work or idea an abortion? Are you the guy who sets the bar...Hmm?
Your avatar says knife maker...I will look you up. I havn't seen anything you have done yet though.

I can take "harsh" what I cannot stand is BS.

Hollow ground or flat the FACT is that the Saber grind on the Camilus Survival knives are SO short that it is not that same thing as the Beckers. Yep, I get a bit "rowdy" when some on tries to tell me the moon is made of green cheese.

YOU are trying to "set the bar" here by making false claims that you can take an ALREADY SABER GROUND BECKER BLADE and make it into an acceptable Scandi. It BS pure and simple.

And, to ease you mind about my abilities as a Craftsman/knifemaker here is the First blade I ever ground on my shop several years ago. It's a 1/8" thick full height convex blade. It's made of D2 and so far has performed any similarly Sized Bark River Blade I have ever owned. I would never claim to be the finest craftsman in the world, but at Least I have a basic understanding of blade geometry and what is possible on an already ground blade.

I also don't need to waste my time trying to covert perfectly good factory knives into homemade flea market junk. Ethan's Tweeners are just fine as they are and anyone who would try to covert any of them to a scandi is an idiot .

 

[CamH_16]

I can take "harsh" what I cannot stand is BS.

Hollow ground or flat the FACT is that the Saber grind on the Camilus Survival knives are SO short that it is not that same thing as the Beckers. Yep, I get a bit "rowdy" when some on tries to tell me the moon is made of green cheese.

YOU are trying to "set the bar" here by making false claims that you can take an ALREADY SABER GROUND BECKER BLADE and make it into an acceptable Scandi. It BS pure and simple.

And, to ease you mind about my abilities as a Craftsman/knifemaker here is the First blade I ever ground on my shop several years ago. It's a 1/8" thick full height convex blade. It's made of D2 and so far has performed any similarly Sized Bark River Blade I have ever owned. I don't need to waste my time trying to covert perfectly good factory knives into homemade flea market junk. Ethan's Tweeners are just fine as they are and anyone who would try to covert any of them to a scandi is an idiot .

Yeah, leave that to me...

 

[FAL'ER]

I can take "harsh" what I cannot stand is BS.

Hollow ground or flat the FACT is that the Saber grind on the Camilus Survival knives are SO short that it is not that same thing as the Beckers. Yep, I get a bit "rowdy" when some on tries to tell me the moon is made of green cheese.

YOU are trying to "set the bar" here by making false claims that you can take an ALREADY SABER GROUND BECKER BLADE and make it into an acceptable Scand I don't need to waste my time trying to covert perfectly good factory knives into homemade flea market junk. Ethan's Tweeners are just fine as they are and anyone who would try to covert any of them to a scandi is an idiot .

Jeezus, have you ever been told you come off a tad abrasive?

 

[jim62]

Well,

LOOK at the post I was responding to.

I am not running for mayor here.

If someone floats total BS by me then I call them on it. Like I said, If it's possible to make ANY Saber ground Becker into an acceptable true Scandi knife, I sure would like to see that. Ruining a perfectly good ,well designed factory knife just to make it a "sort of" scandi grind is stupid.