School Violence

namaarie

namaarie

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Man, am I the only one here who's noticed an alarming trend this past week? Why is is that people are going crazy and killing kids in schools? To me, there are few more cowardly, horrifying crimes that could be perpetrated. Barricading inside a school and executing a bunch of Amish schoolgirls? What's happening here?!? :mad: :barf: :(

Chris
 
I was just watching the news , they were just saying the same thing. The
so called experts say these incidents come in three's do to copycatting .
 
The media fills empty (and evil) heads with bad ideas. :mad:

These things just didn't happen a few decades ago.

Sick and sad.


Mike
 
I don't have a lot of hope for the human race. I don't think there's an emoticon for what I'm feeling right now. My prayers go out to the families of those little girls.

Frank
 
This sort of thing has been going on, in one form or another, all through human history.

If the media publicizes it, it makes it more attractive to copycats who wouldn't think of it on their own.
 
It's everywhere. I noticed the same thing this morning while watching the news. very sad. Violence has always been here, but the risk level and propensity to do damage keeps going up, and due to the development of our mass medias, we know more about what is happenning around us and more gets communicated faster and more efficiently.

The violence is alarming, it weighs on all of us that are raising children.
 
I,m sorry I have been in the woods the last little while and am not up on current mishaps .

I cannot comment on the frequency of such things . I can say there has always been whackos and always will be whackos unless we all permit ourselves to be lobtomized .

This is not meant to trivialise these girls suffering . It does not make it right . I hope we find a way to live together better .

I don,t know how or why those poor kids were singled out . I have always admired the Amish for their way of life and the strength of their beliefs .
 
From a foreign perspective formed by watching your general media and Hollywood, is that had he tried it in a Harlem school he would have been mugged twice at the entrance and out gunned by the scholars.

We'll be getting the whole ban the gun/knife sideshow but at the risk of offending some human rights opportunists what about controling the environment? Comunities are berating police and their leaders for high crime but are taking no responsibility for it. Maybe, just maybe reviewing the focus of the punishment should be reviewed. If Joe Bloggs has a bad day and wants to kill a few school children he would think twice if he new that his family would be held partly accountable, his pension and insurance attached, his immediate family left in a socio-economic desert without access to state benefits. A bit over board but banning things is not going to work.

Double income tax to sensationalist journalism that a copy cat used? Now do I hear any yeays?
 
nay.
America is a place where we do not hold someone responsible for other people's crimes. That's one of our really basic values and it's not likely to change..
 
Nay for me as well. Thats just not even a plausable solution, this isn't a cartoon.

My prayers and sympathy to the familys of the recent victims. Good thread Chris. I'd say the main thing Americans need to do to influence their communities in a positive way is to spend more time with their children.
 
I also extend prayers to the families of the victims - this is heartbreaking.

Yes to the comment about copycat shootings - it does happen. I was involved in a Canadian government response to a copycat shooting in Taber Alberta, following the Columbine thing.

That said, two of the recent shootings - this one, and the one in Colorado, had a disturbing sexist element. The targets were only female - the males were sent away. It is, or should be, a real alarm bell to see such violence not only directed against children, but by grown men against girls.

It's common to dismiss continuing sexism within the population, to say that sexism has really diminished, and that it's generally trivial now ... even if folks acknowledge that it wasn't trivial once.

Granted that these two men - this one in Pennsylvania, and the guy in Colorado - granted that these two were wackos. Who but a wacko shoots up a school? But the particular character of their wacko-ness should get us asking questions about sexism. Clearly these guys are on the far-out fringe, but they got their idea to only shoot girls from somewhere. Showing that there's a larger amount of residual anger against women/girls than most of us men would admit.
 
Good point, Tom. Yeah, I have no idea what the answer is. We all know the problems--we can see those. Violence in our culture, the media proliferating ideas of mayhem, copycat killers, all kinds of things. But the fact of the matter is, this is still the world and these are still people. How do we start to solve the culture of violence in America?

Chris
 
TomFetter said:
Showing that there's a larger amount of residual anger against women/girls than most of us men would admit.
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Not necessarily, and I don't admit it. It may be the perpetrators way to make the world view the crime, as the the most heinous possible. To get the notoriety he craves in death. I dread to think what would have happened to those girls if the police did back away as was his command to them so he wouldn't kill them. He would have had too much time to make this crime even worse. I hate to say this. And I feel for the families but these poor children may have gotten off easy.

KR
 
Just sad sad sad. I live in Denver and when I heard of the recent shooting it shocked me and my wife (new parents of a little girl ourselves). Then we hear of this new shooting at the Amish school house - just sickens me. Makes it even worse thinking about how peaceful the Amish are and how much more confused / frightened those little girls were. :( :mad:
 
We just hit 300 million in the US.

The more people you have the more stuff like this happens.

Also really the whole "look after your own" mentality that seems to be the norm now I believe is playing into this whole thing. Layoffs, downsizing long time employees it devalues community and human life itself. People working longer than ever before cuts down on connectedness. Thankfully the net and communities online seem to be countering some of this, but still not enough. Institutionalized torture, acceptance of large collateral damage, it's all part of the same picture. One where it seems humanity takes a back seat to impulse.

So many people are driven to the margins of society these days it's amazing we don't have more of this stuff.

Also I'm betting with most of these recent episodes the warning signs on these guys were there, but nobody had the time or inclination to intervene.
 
After the first episode, where the perp selected blonde females, many of us, including entertainer Bill OReilly, thought this may be a new way of being sick- the new fad.

You intend to die anyway, so before you go, do what you want. Why 'want' is killing innocents is beyond my understanding. I guess they really 'showed' us.

It is about the most taboo thing one could do, and that probably tells us where we are at now.

We get it, though; Society is no damn good. So do the honest thing and kill yourself, and leave others, especially children, alone.
The last guy supposedly was upset about something that happened a decade or more ago. He left a wife and children behind.


I still say arm select teachers. The sickos want to act out iin schools, and we'd better think about that, a little more than metal detectors and zero tolerance for pen knives.


munk
 
Notice how "zero tolerance" doesn't help- except to expel kids for swiss army knives and aspirin.

:mad: To make the world an even better place, the North Koreans are about to test one of their new toys.


Mike
 
Reports are now saying that the perp here intended to molest the girls before killing them, and brought a few things along to help make that happen. He'd apparently molested young family members some 17 years before, and was having dreams at night reliving the experience.

Kr1, you're right; this could have been much, much worse.
 
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