schrade imperial my first knife

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gradall5200

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Dont know if you guys have seen these before they are in a clam package and are labled my first knife, it is an imperial Kamp King. It comes with a book by tom fegely on "fun, education, and safety. Ive bought 2 over the last year off of ebay for around $15. and was hoping to find a couple more for my nephews for around that price. but 2 weeks befor chirstmas one of these went on ebay for $73! I couldnt believe it. is this just people that dont know anything about knives looking for something that says my first knife right before christmas or are these things going up?
 
.....it went for that because people with a history of sniping in the last 10 seconds by putting a huge clearing take all bid right at the end are finding the Empire is striking back!! It is not normally in my nature but when I see someone who must have everything at any price and do it consistantly I will set a bear trap...I was underbidding ..I'm Ecalyptus...I didnt want it and made darn sure he paid for it. That price was rediculous. I believe in recent times there are people sniping because their kick is in sniping and not necessarily in the item. So 'gradall' things are not always what they seem. If enough bidders got rid of this type of bidder leaving them with a gross overpayment they may curb the fun they have.
I realize this can open up a pandoras box of comment on the rights and wrongs. I show I am interested by placing a bid well before auction end,am then informed if I get knocked off and can make a decision accordingly. However the "sniper" never shows interest and leaps out of the tree with 10 seconds to go. Well they find with me they invariably win at a substantial cost.........hey I'm an Aussie.........Hoo Roo
 
...Post Script to above...your undisclosed bid is not what you pay it purely sorts out the sniper. Snipers quite often place one bid early and come back in last 10 seconds so you can quite often see through history of buying who makes a habit of it. and place your bids accordingly. With over 700 positives I normally play the "game" dead straight but snipers are another breed altogether!! Comments? Hoo Roo
 
Larry,

Since you asked: I usually bid only in the last minute because I think it avoids bidding wars. I bid exactly what it's worth to me, and I either win the item or not. I understand sniping can be disconcerting, but I see nothing unethical about it.

Dave
 
....couldnt agree more Dave nothing unethical about it and I dont believe its about ethics..just where they sit there and count down to the last 10 seconds. It just gets up my nose that they place say $100 bid 5 seconds to go and the item may be at say $23.98. The bid is not what there really prepared to go. They delight in placing the clearing bid and knocking someone out with no chance to re offer..and that is were they get their kicks I believe,its not really about the item......so I leave higher undisclosed bid to make them pay. The way you bid ,best realistic offer is totally ethical, do you see my point? I lose many auctions which I have no problem whatsoever with, its losing in the last 5 seconds by invariably 50 cents more than my bid..because they have placed the huge clearing killer bid.....so I make them pay.....am I unethical? Hoo Roo
 
guys I agree with both of you. bidding in the last minute is fine but it is when they bid so you cannot even counter bid in the last 10 sec that burns me. cause lets face it there is stuff we want but we all want the best deal right. but the fact of the matter is that with this knife that didint happen at all, all of the bidding happend early. it started around $5 and with in 2 days of the auction ending it was at $65 to my knowledge my first knife book and clam package dosent make a Kamp King worth $70 or does it what do you guys think. joel
 
Nothing you can do about knuckleheads that will vastly overpay for an item, just for the privilege of depriving someone else of it. I like the idea of making them pay dearly. But even if they placed their bid an hour before the auction ended, they are still willing to pay more than any reasonable person would, so the result is the same from our perspective, isn't it?
 
One's perspective is key, concerning bidding vs. sniping. I often snipe to keep out of bidding wars, and firmly believe I have saved big bucks. I used to put in my absolute highest offer, and occasionally some yo-yo would spend 5 days inching up and screwing up his courage, 50 cents at a time,
stopping $3-5 short of my highest offer. 14 bids from the same guy one time!! Boring, and expensive. I snipe about 50% of the time. If you want something, bid your max I say. Then you can't complain that someone didn't give you another chance! I bid what I'm willing to pay. If you want it more, you'll get it.
Whether you snipe or bid up front, if no one is watching, you'll steal it! But if you are only trying to steal it, then have the good grace to lose if someone snipes!
I don't know what to say about spite bidding Larry! You are costing someone money, and you must occasionally pay a lot for something if you misjudge them?? True??
 
Larry, I bet you were the self appointed hall monitor in school too weren't you?

Your behavior is not ethical and is disgusting.
 
good point waynorth. I mean your right If you want it bad enough you will bid what you have to when you have to, to get it.
 
My bidding depends on the other bidders.If its someone with a lot of feedback I bid my limit and then get out.The ones I don't bid against are the ones with few or no feedbacks.I figure they are shills and don't get in a bidding war with them.I'll snipe if I want something and if I see someones name I know on the bidders list I don't bid.Why are you guys letting a thing like a knife upset you.I'll bet that with very few exceptions the same kind of knife will be up for auction in a short time.Life is to short to spent time worrying over knives.Arnold
 
Arnold Im not letting the price of the knife upset me at all as a matter of fact we've gotten way off of the subject. I allready own a couple of these knives. originally I was just wondering the value of the "my first knife" because the bidding has gone up considerably. like I said I bought a few earlier this year for around $15 and before christmas they were around $70. Just wanted to know if these were becoming more popular or if it is just a christmas thing. anyone know what these are worth paying for? I will include a picture later. thanks
 
The only thing more absurd than the CLEAR OUT BID Larry is describing, is the PUNISHING BEAR TRAP bid he claims to be setting for snipers. If I set a trap like that, I think I'd step in it more times than someone else. If you play within Ebay's rules, then it's fair. Everyone is entitled their own strategy. Even if the strategy consists of chewing on sour grapes.
 
Gradall I wasn't talking about you I'm sorry you got that impression.Prices seem to go up this time of the year as hunting season,Christmas,and being stuck inside with nothing to do but bid on Ebay comes around.It gives me a chance to sell some of my mistakes from earlier in the year.Arnold
 
Waynorth, If they dont come in with the big clear out bid why does it cost me?I only pay the disclosed highest bid not the undisclosed highest bid.
Ragpicker ,My bidding is only disgusting if you are the Mershesmidtt on my tail opening up a burst without warning.
Thawk,I dont just claim mate I do..if you bid on Schrades regularly you will see my Ebay handle many times and I could show you many examples.
I knew I was sticking my neck out by raising the subject and I would also point out a large majority of my Schrade purchases have been over the U.S. $100 mark so sniping is perhaps more meaningful than if I was bidding on $18.89 Knives. I'm just being honest with my opinions and I doubt I would ever tell you Ragpicker that you were disgusting on this forum which I thought was for free open trueful discussion where we can all learn.
I may be wrong and I accept that.
I am not wet behind the ears and have been a Real Estate and Property auctioneer for 20 years and have completed Million Dollar sales and that is not just an idle claim.I also am passionate about genuine Schrades,the best and most interesting overall knives anyone will ever own in my opinion.
Hey isnt it great we can all add our thoughts,anyone else want a potshot. Hoo Roo Mates from Downunder.
 
I was also watching that auction but lost interest when it went over $30.
I agree that prices are higher in the winter months, I know I don't spend much time surfing e-bay when it is sunny and seventy outside.
As for the snipping, I don't think anyone likes to be on the losing end of that deal but the winner was willing to pay more and even though they may have only paid one dollar more then your highest bid, you never know how high they were willing to go. In the end the guy that is willing to pay the most wins, isn't that the way it should be? JMO Rick
 
RagPicker said:
Larry, I bet you were the self appointed hall monitor in school too weren't you?

Your behavior is not ethical and is disgusting.
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Ragpicker, Larry was merely giving his opinion on a subject. I don't believe he called anyone out personally on this forum, and your comments are insulting and border on being "trollish".

Whose behavior is digusting????

Now back to the subject...

With the demise of Schrade, the collector interest in this brand has really reached a fever pitch IMO. Prior to 2004, I could pick up a decent Walden or Cutco for a bargain price. Now, I am being outpriced on virtually everything. That's okay, I couldn't afford to buy them all anyway:rolleyes:

Now business is business, and alot of people are looking to make money by buying and resellling these same knives. It is supply and demand, I understand that, but aren't they artificially driving up the price of these same knives? They overpaid for them in the first place, so in turning the knife back around for sale, they have to charge more to realize a profit. And there is always some fool out there (such as myself) willing to pay that price.

That is what frustrates me, I am not buying knives as an investment, it's cause I love them, and these same knives I now have to pay more for...

Oh well, it's a sad tale.

Glenn
 
Well, I guess it depends on your definition of a clear out bid, Larry. I suppose if someone throws a $1000 snipe at a $100 knife to devastate all comers, and you "trap" him with $500, he's gonna hurt. But a $150 snipe will cost you $155 (or whatever) for a $100 knife if you set a high trap.
Anyway, I'll just keep on bidding what I am willing to pay, sometimes with a snipe, and God will sort it out!
I respect your opinion, but question whether you are doing the right thing, setting traps! Is that not raising the prices of knives by upping the average??
 
Ya'll bees so funeeeey!!

I am reminded here of a poster who came in ranting that a sniper had STOLEN his knife, and as he calmed down, his revenge was to bid on several of the same knife at once.

Keep the emotion out of it. As others have said, until the mail arrives, the knife is not yours. When it is paid for and in your hands, then you can weep, moan, wail, do the reindeer dance, and show it off. Very, very few knives are one of a kind. And even with those, if you want it bad enough, you'll be the top bidder regardless of other folk's tactics. Purposely driving up bids when you have no intent to follow through is...well...a good way to wind up overpaying for a knife you may really not want that badly.

As for the internet lag time, I am on dialup, but only a few thousand miles from eBay. My sniper service is just down the street from the eBay mainframe. If my bid is critical to me and for whatever reason I do not want to place my top bid early, I use the sniper after placing an earlier "tag" bid so that my friends who care to, can view the list before bidding and either (A) respect my tag, or (B) Fear that I might have a $1,000.00 snipe set.

Codger

PS- Anyone who wants a link to my sniper program, eMail me.
 
Fear not. If someone has sniped higher than me they are always welcome to it. I only bid what I am willing to pay. (note: not what my wife says!) Michael, Now that I know you have a $1000.00 snipe limit my $999.99 will loose but I'll be smiling :cool:
Just kidding.
I havent spent that much on a knife yet.
TTYL
Larry
 
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