Schrade knife ID

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I was wondering if anyone could help ID my 4 blade Schrade folder. Its similar to most utility types, except it has a Schrade Walden logo on the grip. Blade is marked Schrade Walden NY USA. It has a hanger loop and brass inserts. I found it years ago in an old house. Any ideas on age, model ect. would help. Im a newbie.
Thanks Jim
 
Jim,

Welcome to the forum. I'm sure that someone will post an answer soon. LT, Codger, or Phil will likely have the info that you are looking for.

But, in the meantime, I'd love to see a picture of that 4-blade folder. I've never heard of one of those.
 
Welcome to the forum, Jim. A 'schrade walden' would date the knife 1948- 1973. By 'utility Knife' I'm guessing you mean what we call a camp knife.Like boy scouts use. Just a shot in the dark here, is this it?
Phil

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And Ted, here is a four blade senator with a bail I thought you would find interesting.
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Help! LT! I'm out of my league here. I never saw this kinda shield before. Can you help us out?
 

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Is it a hollow handle knife? it looks like a short time transitional made when Schrade and Imperial were trying to figure out what they were going to do and how to divvy up the market. . If it is a solid handle then it was simply a variance in shield. I do not believe it is bone or even solid. If so it is a fairly rare basic hollow handle under the Schrade Walden tang and shield. If it is hollow it is a KAMP KING type knife that was put out by Schrade before they decided to let Imperial handle that market. A larger pic of the shield and if it is hollow and I believe I can come close. I have a steel box full of drawers and shields ( guess where I got it ) and almost a hernia. You would not believe the varied shields that these knives carried. LT
 
Phil,

I knew I had seen that shield before, and I found it, page 56 of Ken Warner's 1976 "The Practical Book of Knives" Stoeger Publishing Company.

Unfortunately it does not give much information, it says:

"Here is a well-used and very typical Boy Scout knife, four blades, shackle and belt fitting, and all. ..."

Luis

Edited: OOOPS I just noticed that I wrote Bill instead of Phil, I also called my younger daughter by my older daughter's name (actually I do it all the time), am I getting old or what?, sorry...
 
Hello El Don how have you been? I have seen this knife as well but I remember
it as a hollow handle. Do you have a reference to that if so I can add a bit more info. I hope you are well . LT
 
Could be a hollow handle, I will email Jim and tell him what we mean by that, but I don't see the little end-crimp-tabs, and the middle pin looks like a 'real' pivot pin to me. Interesting stuff.

Sword and Shield: Which knife? The camp or the very classy senator? If it is the Senator, it's from an ad flyer dated 1951.

Ted, I can send you via email the entire ad page showing several knives if you would like. It is a large file, 570K.

LT, I have forwarded Jim's fine photos to your email address.

Phil
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Guys,

I have two of these. They are definitely not a hollow handle. They are delrin, I believe.

I had actually posted a pic of this a while back. A very solid knife. I originally chased this down because the shield was so different.

Glenn
 

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Ok in that case that is simply a variation of shield used. I just saw the full sized pic and it seems straight forward enough. Pre 72 if delrin then chances are post 56. If composition pre 56. I noticed a small lengthwise chip on the large pic that would suggest composition and make it pre 56. Composition is an early plastic that was used in the Walden plant prior to the Ellenville move. It is the material used on the hunter large swichblades made prior to 56 begun around the mid 40 tys. LT
 
lt632ret said:
Hello El Don how have you been...? I have seen this knife as well but I remember
it as a hollow handle. Do you have a reference to that if so I can add a bit more info. I hope you are well . LT
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Hello LT, I've been hanging around the Political forum some, so much talk about illegal immigrants and the Mexicans in California, it doesn't seem like when I was there 30+ years ago.

I don't have anything on that knife, just the picture and comment on Ken Warner's book, it looks like a solid handle but the picture is not that good, better pictures in this thread.

Luis
 
This is the Ulster version which I believe took over this pattern. notice the round shield and the how similar. LT
 
Fellas, if that is an oddball shield (it's not to me, because as an Eagle Scout I have seen quite a few old scouters with that shield), I think i have an explanation.

It is most definitely not a hollow handle. I think S-W used that shield to take the place of the round BSA emblem shield on knives that, for one reason or another, were not branded as actual scout knives.

I have seen many of them in the hands of old scouts (leaders etc).
 
I have one of these that is marked Imperial, Ireland. It has a bowtie shield marked CAMPER. It does have hollow scales, I believe, and you can see how they are attached (with little brad type thingies) by looking inside the knife. The punch has a "Ramp" like ridge for opening rather than a nail nick. The scales have sort of a random wormgroove texture, not really what I'd call jigging.
It doesn't appear to be nearly as well made as the Schrade-Waldens. Those look quite cool. That 4 blade Senator is KILLER..... :cool:

Bill
 
The knife in itself is not unusual. What is unusual is that it was made under Schrade Walden and the modern blading.. It is obviously a civilian version of a modern boy scout or utility style knife. This knife is obviously the same as the Ulster. Attached are 2 pics the one in the box ( now this will get confusing) is a 75 anniversary remake model of a New York Knife ( Boy Scout ). However it was produced by Schrade and tang marked New York Knife Now in the next picture are 5 knives. The two on the ends are original Buffalo Bill utility knives made by New York Knife ( around 1900). Notice the blades on these two especially the screwdrivers and can opener. The replica in the box has the correct can ( for the original time frame) opener. Now look at the three knives in the middle left to right. They are all Ulsters a Pre WWII Dwight Devine boy scout. An Ulster WWII vintage. and the modern 1996 ( model number only NOT YEAR ). Notice the 1996 and the replica are the only versions with the modern bottle opener screwdriver. It seems that when Schrade was bought and moved to Ellenville Ulster took over production of this style. Using instead of the round Schrade Walden shield the round Boy scout emblem. Notice also that this model 1996 is the same pattern as the Schrade Walden in question ( blades ect). Up till this point Schrade did not make Boy Scout knives. However Ulster had ( see the Dwight Devine in the pic ) since at before WWII.

This being said it would seem that the knife was made pre 56 most likely mid fiftys nearer to the end of production in Walden. Now earlier in my babblings I mentioned that I suspected the knife was composition I based that on a full sized pic Phil sent me which showed a piece of the edge of the handle had broken off this was typical of composition due to its brittle ness It was an early plastic that was used in Walden but not in Ellenville where Ulster and Schrade went to delrin. Composition was used on automatics which aside frorm the ( military) orange para model were not made in Ellenville and these also used delrin.

All this being said I believe ( at least until further info is provided ) that 1, the knife in question was made in Walden pre 56, 2, This modern blading and pattern was the basis for the 1996 model boy scout utility which Ulster began producing. This knife was produced as a civilian utility knife since up until this point Schrade had not made Boy Scout knives (so shielded ) per se.

While Schrade Walden and Schrade Cut made utility knives the unique modern pattern and blade styles were not part of there regular line at least apparently until the end of the Walden tenure. These conclusions are based on the handle picture, the fact that this knife is obviously the same as both the unshielded and boy scout models ( civ Ulster I believe was a 114). This would be easier if the tang marking was simply Schrade Walden NY and did not have USA in Walden they used both but towards the end they too used the USA. Please note that in Ellenville the Schrade line did not have a utility knife ( to the best of my knowledge ( please do not attack me if I am wrong ) Utilitys were made under the ULSTER tang.

All this being said I believe the one thing we can all agree on is that ( I should get a life can you imagine spending all this time on this ). LT PS for those old enough to remember the utility Old timer in the 2 dollar Prince Albert promotion send in the coupons and get an Old Timer for 2 dollars. Well the Utility knife was an Old timer but it was also tang marked Ulster not Schrade. ( so by the way were the 58 OT and Barlows also offered ).
 
Luis, thanks for the name of the book you mentioned that has some
Schrade references.
I have not visited the political forum in ages. Not to drag politics into our forum here, but I assure you, the Michigan you may remember from your U of M days is still the same; welcoming to all people. At least I hope you have positive memories of your time here.

By the way... this has been an excellent thread. We all love finding something new. Jim, Stop in anytime, you're already a valuable member.

LT!!! you are wonderful! I knew you could piece it all together for us. Get a life? You got one, pal.

Phil
 
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