schrade knives

I mean no disrespect in what I am about to post.
I suspect this was the way it was with others growing up around various parts of the country, with various brand names too.


When I was a kid, a Imperial or Shrade was the "play" knife or "user" knife.
A kid , boy or girl, might have a "nice" knife like a Case, Hen & Rooster, or Boker for instance, still the "good knives" were taken care of, and Imperials and Shrades are what kids got to carry.

Hey, as a big Old Timer fan and user from way back, no offense taken. :) It's interesting, though - where I grew up it was sort of the opposite. Case and Boker Tree Brand and some others were seen as sort of flowery collector "purty" pieces, whereas OTs and Uncle Henrys (and Bucks too) were seen as serious working tools used to get the job done.* Definitely a regional preference or tradition. It's funny how these things change based on location. I never heard of a Kissing Crane, for instance, but I hear for a long time they were (are?) the knife of choice for Texan ranchers. And I never saw anyone carrying a yellow knife but I hear tell in places like Alabama a yellow trapper is practically general issue gear for guys. Camillus and Queen seems to have been bigger up in the northeast (where they were made, of course). And Gerbers were probably seen on more belts up in the Northwest than they were down in the Florida swamps.


* I should add that I too always saw Imperials as a subpar kids' knife and, even when I was a kid, I'd fervently hope that Santa had enough sense to steer clear of those and get me a real knife instead.
 
mnblade, I believe you and Steve are saying the same thing... in other words, the Schrade was a knife that could take a lickin' and that's why they were allowed to be carried, used and played with. The other brands were considered the fancy, high falutin' knives that weren't employed in that manner.
 
mnblade, I believe you and Steve are saying the same thing... in other words, the Schrade was a knife that could take a lickin' and that's why they were allowed to be carried, used and played with. The other brands were considered the fancy, high falutin' knives that weren't employed in that manner.


falutin':D good word there. but i agree with what ya'll have said. schrade seemed to me like a hard working mans knife. case and the others, more of gentlemans knife. not one youd take with you to a construction site and beat up on. except for the 110. you beat that up alot:thumbup:
 
falutin':D good word there. but i agree with what ya'll have said. schrade seemed to me like a hard working mans knife. case and the others, more of gentlemans knife. not one youd take with you to a construction site and beat up on. except for the 110. you beat that up alot:thumbup:


Well, I wouldn't let these recollections or generalizations color your view of Case and other manufacturer's knives. Truth is, many of these (especially older) knives have been used for their intended (and many unintended) purposes and survived years and years of hard usage.

Unfortunately, nowadays many "collectors" and accumulators of knives think that the worth of a knife is judged by how it slices paper or shaves arm hair. (Ever see how wimpy most backsprings are today compared to the knives of yesteryear? Gives you pause.)

I don't think I'd be stretching too much by stating that I don't think that was the standard by which these great old knives were judged by those who came before us.

If a Case or other knife was considered a "Sunday" knife, it was probably because it was either more expensive (relatively speaking) or maybe had fancier scales, but don't necessarily equate that with an inablility to get the job done. (Consider Jackknife's tales about the capabilities of the diminutive "Peanut" by way of example.)

Too easy to allow generalizations to sway our mindset.

Now, all that said, I still can relate to the regional and era related perspectives being shared by Steve and the others in this thread.

Of course when I was going to grade school back in the late 50's and early 60's I remember having a Kamp-King in my pocket frequently and don't remember having a particularly good knife except for the ones my grandfather would give me and I would promptly lose from my pockets playing ball after school. ;)
 
no no dont get me wrong blues. i know case adn bucks have the others have been used hard and long. i am jsut saying, just by looking at them, i would put a case more into the sunday catagory than the hard working catagory. judge a book by its cover if you will. and i have seen a few older backsprings. man those are crazy. so strong. tough stuff. but yes, i know case and hen and rooster, buck, boker. they have not been around so long and praised so much because they are wimps. great knives and companies. i was jsut saying if you go by looks and price...sorry im not always too good with expressing what i am really trying to say.
 
It is funny how different areas of the USA preferred the brands they did.
Buck for instance, was rarely seen in my locale.

One has to keep in mind, folks were loyal to companies more local to them, and everyone supported one another in product choices.
Folks supported kinfolks that worked elsewhere by purchasing the products those kinfolks had a part in manufacture.
Heck a kid off to college might be working part time for a company and folks back home would purchase that product because that kid was working for them.

Remember also, folks bought local, or from Catalog, like Montgomery Ward or Sears Roebuck.

Folks tried before they bought, as they did not do credit cards. They saved up, went without, patched up what they had, or did a lay-a-way.

So a lady or gent would see knives at the local store, and handle them.
Somebody always had one, so it was common for a lady or gent, to actually use a knife, or gun, or whatever, to see if it "fit them".

Oh if someone got knife from Montgomery Ward, or Sears Roebuck catalog, folks wanted to try out that knife, that was not sold locally.


Re: Good knives.

A fella might have bone handled Case he used for work, as his work knife for instance.
Working the property as a farmer, rancher, maybe a plant worker and around paint, and the like.

A lady might have a Old Timer with the classic Delrin sawcut handles. She used it in the garden, messing with horses, opening feed sacks, and she too might get into caulk, putty, paint and who knows what else.

Now come Sunday for Church, the wife is not going to let her husband take that ugly old Case to church, and she is not going to take her user Old Timer.

He might be a Sunday School Teacher and the good knife might be used to cut them homemade brownies, one of the couples brought to church.
His wife, might work in the Nursery, or teach a kids Sunday School class so her nicer knife was used for that.

Sure the user's were cleaned up, still He scrapped mud off his boot with his, and his wife dropped hers onto the barn while cleaning it out.

Same thing for weddings, having company over, or going over to be company at someone else's house.

Job Interview.

Used to be, a lady or gent might be asked by someone thinking about hiring them, if they carried a knife.
Everyone carried a knife, as one was not dressed without a knife.
Boys and girls, ladies and gents all carried a knife.
A kid had better have the pivots oiled , the blades sharp, and be able to hand it over correctly , when asked by a parent, mentor, teacher, anyone asked to see if they had a knife, and what condition it was in .

Job interview, and it did not matter if a teenager, or older, if a lady or gent, one still had to have a knife, present it correctly, the blades sharp, and pivots oiled.

Person Interviewing would look at knife, and from that knife, get some ideas of what kind of person you were, and that played a part on whether you got hired or not.

If one was going to do "plant work" , one had a work knife.
If one was looking to get hired to "meet the public", such as retail , a Good Knife, that reflected well on you, and the company is what the Interviewer was looking for.

Often times, the person looking for a job, had both knives.
It showed one had been raised right, as they had a user, meaning they were not afraid of getting their hands dirty and doing work.

The good knife represented they knew when to dress up, they had "social manners" besides the "good manners" one used all the time anyway.

Even a poor person, with only one good pair of shoes, and one user knife, cleaned up , used manners and Interviewers knew this was their first real job.
That user might have really been used, but a Interviewer could tell by looking at that knife, the character of the person.

They had a sharp knife, pivots oiled, and by looking at the ladies or gents hands, could tell they had been using that knife and other tools.

Shrade was a good knife.

Most folks have opinions shaped by how they were raised.
i.e. Ford vs Chevy.

Kids still do what kids have always done with this debate, they based their "side" based on what Parents, or Relatives drove.

I knew one gal that hated Fords. Her momma got a new station wagon and it was a Ford with the wood looking body.
These faded over time and looked tacky.

Embarrassing enough to have to get a ride to HS as she broke her leg, but in a tacky , faded wood looking Ford Station wagon..."I thought I was going to die with all my friends seeing me in that thing!

Her Uncle's Chevy Truck, was "cool". Muddy, dents, some rust, with a straight six engine and three speed on the column.

He let her drive it. He did not yell like mom or dad when she was learning to drive.
So she became a Chevy Gal.

Knives are the same way ...
WE could not take Brand A out to play, but we could Brand B.

WE humans are an odd bunch for sure!
 
I finally got myself a Sharpfinger a few months back and just got my second one last week, I have wanted one of these for 30 years and finally got 2. The first was like new til I sharpened it and it is getting a nice patina and the second I just got and it is very sharp and will do well in my 72 hour bag. I also like the single bladed liner lock trapper with brown saw cut Delrin. I have used one of these for the last 20 years and recently semi-retired it for a nice Case canoe.
 
Now, I'm not that old (33) but I remember as a kid, you could go into any hardware store, bait and tackle store, and a lot of 5 and 10's, and there'd always be that ubiquitous Old Timer display by the counter, perfectly designed for kids to gawk at. One of the best days of my life was when my dad decided I was old enough (8) and he let me bring home my first knife, a 33OT. To this day, I don't think I have a knife that is any better than that knife. prettier, maybe. fancier, maybe. made of materials that are more fashionable to brag about, maybe. I gave it to my daughter earlier this year when she turned 11, along with The Daring Book for Girls. And she's taken good care of it ever since. The only time I had to lecture her about it was when I realized she was bringing it to school everyday. She didn't see the big deal in it, wanted to have it just in case she needed it. I had to explain to her, that that would have been perfectly acceptable 25 years ago, but nowadays, that would get her in trouble.

I think I have to go on the 'Bay and get me another one!

I think what makes the Schrade thing so sad is that its downfall happened so recently, that it seemed to have weathered the storm that happened to all the great American companies that disappeared back in the "good ol' days". Schrade made it out of the "good ol' days" and into the modern days, or so we thought.

There's some really nice mountains in Upstate NY, that are overshadowed in popularity by the Catskills and Adirondacks. They're called the Shawangunks. There's a lovely out-of-the-way preserve up there called Sam's Point. You have to drive through Walden to get there. It looks like it must have been a lovely town. Beautiful early 20th century architecture. Now it's sort of run down. many closed storefronts. Don't know what else to say.
 
There's some really nice mountains in Upstate NY, that are overshadowed in popularity by the Catskills and Adirondacks. They're called the Shawangunks.

I rock climbed in the 'Gunks for many years before leaving NY in the late 80's.

Not very high, but lots and lots of climbs along those miles of cliffs.
 
One of the best days of my life was when my dad decided I was old enough (8) and he let me bring home my first knife, a 33OT. To this day, I don't think I have a knife that is any better than that knife. prettier, maybe. fancier, maybe. made of materials that are more fashionable to brag about, maybe. ... I think I have to go on the 'Bay and get me another one!

Amen, brother. The 33OT is a great great knife and will weather damn near anything. The one I have and carry from time to time, should last another 20 years or more with ease. But if something happens to it, I've already purchased a spare.
 
Hmm.

On the subject of work knives, and kids having two knives, etc, I will give my opinion, having been raised in the 90's and 00's.

When I was growing up, the man's pocketknife of choice was the big lockback- you know, five inches closed with a 3.75-4" blade.


My dad had one, a Gerber Gator. My uncle's was a Buck 110. I remember from camping trips seeing other Gators, other Bucks, even Schrades.

It seem this has carried on to this day. The majority of blades I see in the outdoors are lockbacks in this size range. Carried around town, or on Sunday, or whatever, are tactical folders.

When I was a kid, the kids had SAKs and the men had their big lockbacks. SAKs come in displays at the tobbacanists, or the luggage store, and you could gawk at them for hours.

I was unique, in that my first "good" knife was a Case slipjoint, and not a Victorinox SAK.

While you might be asking why the men let the kids carry the tool knives, while they had no tool knives themselves, the men also had multitools, usually Gerbers. Again, a multitool was something a big man carried, while a kid carried an SAK.
 
Well, thanks to this thread, I picked up a 12OT Pal and a 33OT Middleman jack on fleabay - waiting for them to arrive. I made sure to pass on the 33OT they had up from the last production run with the certificate to match. I'm going to use mine and that certificate, although pretty cool, hopefully went to someone who will take care of it better. Those 33OTs are pretty hotly contested on the 'Bay.

Hopefully no one starts a thread called "Camillus knives".
 
Hi,

I think I single handedly kept Schrade in business during my youth. Seems like I bought at least one new one every year, (34OT's with the saw cut Delrin). I must have "planted" a hundred of them around the farm growing up. Mostly in the summertime during baling. Seemed like that old JD 24T baler could never tie more than one bale without missing a knot. So my 34OT was always in and out of the pocket. And sooner or later I'd forget it on the baler and it would be gone. Sadly, not a one of those Schrades' ever sprouted and grew.

I remember the hardware store having a glass case with them in. They sold 3 brands. They always had a couple of Buck 110's and sometimes a 119 special. And they would have a box of Imperial "Boy Scout" knives by the register. And the Schrades, usually 33OT and 34OT. I miss them.

Thanks for the memories!
dalee
 
What I miss most is my wife going up to Wal-Mart every couple of years and buying me a new Old Timer for Christmas. She knew they were my favorite carry knife, I still have a 33OT she gave me over 20 years ago and it is still my favorite. I remember going to many knife shows many years ago with dealers selling Case, Bulldogs, Fightin Roosters and other high dollar knives but when they reached in there pockets, there would be the beat up Old Timers coming out. I miss Schrade.
 
Well, thanks to this thread, I picked up a 12OT Pal and a 33OT Middleman jack on fleabay - waiting for them to arrive. I made sure to pass on the 33OT they had up from the last production run with the certificate to match. I'm going to use mine and that certificate, although pretty cool, hopefully went to someone who will take care of it better. Those 33OTs are pretty hotly contested on the 'Bay.

Hopefully no one starts a thread called "Camillus knives".

Camillus knives

Be careful what you ask for around here Wintermute.
 
I miss the 33ot. That knife was the knife I carried the most during my high school years. We had a zero tolerance rule regarding knives, but most teachers did not enforce it as long as the kid in subject was not a trouble maker. I had many teachers ask me to borrow that knife, for odd jobs. I also seemed to run in to very few Schrades with loose blades, or poor snap. And I miss being able to walk in the hardware store to buy my self a new one when I was having a bad day. Oh well things change I guess. Joe
 
The 33OT is still one of the most affordable and plentiful patterns around. You can usually pick up a new one, USA made for less than 20.00 including shipping on Ebay. Just keep watching and within two weeks you can find one. Even less for a solid user.
 
so guys i stareted this thread after i lost my beloved 34OT. was my first knife i bought with ym own money and everything. anywho...while cleaning my car tonight while wating for sonme friends guess what i find? thats right i found my 34OT. i have been missing it for nearly a month. Ill post pics of it tomorrow. its been in use since i got int 5 years ago for my 15th birthday. im so happy right now. and great stories and memories yall. i hope i have em too someday.:D
 
so guys i stareted this thread after i lost my beloved 34OT. was my first knife i bought with ym own money and everything. anywho...while cleaning my car tonight while wating for sonme friends guess what i find? thats right i found my 34OT.

Congrats. Great news! :)
 
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