Schrade-Walden 881Y

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I first see the #881 listed in my 1953 catalogs though, no doubt, this 4" three bladed Premium Stock knife traces it’s roots to earlier Schrade Cutlery Company patterns. The base #881 with stagged bone covers is listed along with the #881Y with Maize (yellow) plastic covers from the 1954 Schrade Walden listing. The old SCC number referenced in the 1953 ans 1954 catalogs is #8815, and it is called “Premium Stock Knife, Texas Pattern”, with the classic clip, sheepfoot, and spey blades, nickle silver shield and bolsters, brass linings, large blade polished one side. By 1961, the stagged bone of the 881 had been replaced by “Unbreakable Staglon”.

The last catalog appearance for these two patterns was in 1986, when they were dropped from the ever-thinning open stock line. In that last year of listing, slightly less than 6,000 each of the 881 and 881Y were shipped. Other than the remaining 3,500 881Y shipped in 1987, only a few warranty replacements were shipped the next few years. In 1991 although it did not appear in the regular catalog, Schrade made a one year only run of about 20,000 of the 881, shipping 18,000. The remaining 1,800 knives shipped the next year. There was not a second run of the 881Y pattern that I could find, so it’s last year of production was 1987.

Here is an example I recently acquired and described thus:

Here is a nice old Schrade pocket Knife that I found in Papaw's basement. It dosn't look like it was used but It does have some rust on the bottom-(see picture) and on the inside where the blades fold up. I don't know how old it is. It probably could be polished up to look like new. The clear plastic box with paper insert is marked 881Y on the flap.



Someone want to take a crack at the date on this one? Is it a Taylor, Camillus, Bear, or Schrade-Walden?

Michael
 
well so far every guess i've made in a BF "quiz" has been completely wrong. so i'm not guessing. however i am v. pleased to see this thread. i really like the 881 and watch for them on ebay. often i cannot discern an original from a new "repro", esp. if tang is not shown. i have a mint S/W N.Y. U.S.A. 881Y, a close to mint, same tang 881 in brown delrin, a Schrade U.S.A. 881Y (stored in oil by Grandpa who worked at Ellenville factory), a Schrade N.Y. U.S.A. 881Y (mint from deceased husband's collection) and finally a Taylor Schrade 881Y to help me learn to spot these on ebay. no boxes except for Taylor. so far i have only the first 2, last 3 in mail still. i did post pic of the 881Y in another thread here a couple weeks ago. looks a lot like the one in this thread. thanks Codger. roland
 
well so far every guess i've made in a BF "quiz" has been completely wrong. so i'm not guessing. however i am v. pleased to see this thread. i really like the 881 and watch for them on ebay. often i cannot discern an original from a new "repro", esp. if tang is not shown. i have a mint S/W N.Y. U.S.A. 881Y, a close to mint, same tang 881 in brown delrin, a Schrade U.S.A. 881Y (stored in oil by Grandpa who worked at Ellenville factory), a Schrade N.Y. U.S.A. 881Y (mint from deceased husband's collection) and finally a Taylor Schrade 881Y to help me learn to spot these on ebay. no boxes except for Taylor. so far i have only the first 2, last 3 in mail still. i did post pic of the 881Y in another thread here a couple weeks ago. looks a lot like the one in this thread. thanks Codger. roland

I have one 881Y. It is a Schrade NY USA, although it is mint condish, it has no tube, nor was it stored in Grandpa's oil (although I have one of the same Grandpa's open stock 899's!). The 881Y I have came out of an old Schrade display case along with several other knives.

I based my guess on the tube, which says Ellenville NY on it. The remake tubes do not say Ellenville. The tube in no way has anything to tie it to the knife, but I don't think the repros have the match strike nick (neither does my NY stamped example). My guess was just that, a guess.

I'm batting about the same average as you Roland. I would not want the Codger to do the multiple choice test to earn the Schrade certified collectors badge.:D
 
Enlarging the photo of the tang stamp did nothing but blurr it. Here is a larger picture of the box.



It looks genuine enough to me. Schrade Walden Cutlery Corp. was formed in 1946, purchased from the Schrade heirs thru Baer's Kingston Cutlery Company.

1946: Albert M. Baer, under Kingston Cutlery Company, bought Schrade Cutlery Company and renamed it the Schrade Walden Cutlery Corp. It became a division of Imperial Knife Associated Companies Group which includes Imperial Knife Company, Inc. of Providence, R.I., Ulster Knife Company Inc. of Ellenville, N.Y.,Schrade Walden Cutlery Corp., of Walden N.Y., and Kingston Cutlery Co., addressed New York, N.Y., and Vulcan Razor Corporation of Maplewood N.J..


The company was originally housed in the old Schrade Cutlery Company building in Walden, New York. It moved to the Baer brothers' Dwight Divine Ulster Knife Works factory in Ellenville, New York in 1958. The company name changed in 1973 from Schrade Walden Cutlery Corp. to Schrade Cutlery Corp.

So this knife... well, the box... would be circa 1958-1972. We can tell better when the knife arrives and the insert paper can be studied, and the knife itself is seen. At this point, I am under the assumption that the three... box, paper, and knife belong together. We shall see what we shall see.

Michael
 
The Baers owned both companies. Camillus was always a seperate factory, but still a part of the Baer holdings, and Albert made frequent trips to the factory in Camillus. Camillus also made knives and parts for Schrade, Ulster, and Imperial. But the "matchstrike nick" was pretty common in the industry during this time period. I cannot think of many detail designs which were exclusive to any one company.
 
The Baers owned both companies. Camillus was always a seperate factory, but still a part of the Baer holdings, and Albert made frequent trips to the factory in Camillus. Camillus also made knives and parts for Schrade, Ulster, and Imperial. But the "matchstrike nick" was pretty common in the industry during this time period. I cannot think of many detail designs which were exclusive to any one company.

I have two 881 Kon-Kav Stockman with the matchstrike nick, as well as an 8OT. We can compare the nick pattern, but I'm banking that 881Y you have is 100% Schrade Walden.
 
Yes, this one dates to circa 1970-71.



The nick has sixteen "points". As does this one from the 1971 Belknap catalog.



Note that Belknap commonly used old cuts for these Schrade Walden knives, thus the mention of the hinged wooden box which had been discontinued by this time, I believe.
 
i have just received an old Schrade/Walden/N.Y. U.S.A.// backside: 881Y
matchstriker pull on clip and very shrunken yellow celluloid handles.
my others of this pattern with identical markings are Delrin. i do not think i have seen another of these with cell. handles.
anyone else have one in cell. or know when this pattern was switched from celluloid to Delrin ?
rolando
 
Delrin wasn't available in useful quantities until circa 1961 when that first Dupont plant opened. Other plastics were made and used prior to the availability of DuPont's Delrin though, not many were as diminsionally stable as Delrin. Phenolic resins and polystyrene come to mind. So a Delrin handled knife would be post 1960.

Michael
 
no i dont roland. i dont think i have seen a cell handle in the sw time frame. you made me take a closer look at some of mine -- they all look like delrin to me. i have this scc fish knife that looks like cell. the material is a little more transparent than the delrin.------brady


sorry for the bad pics--all the yellow delrins are the same deep yellow color
 

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here is the knife: looks like shrunken celluloid as on other non-Schrade knives i have.

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there must be more of these out there ?
roland
 
roland is it the same on the other side? maybe it was subjected to a heat source of some sorts----material looks kinda warped around the middle and rear pins?---brady
 
Brady; backside is worse. i have quite a few old celluloids from other manufacturers and this is exactly what old 'gassed-off' yellow celluloid looks like. i posted because all my other (5 ? )S-W 881Y knives are Delrin. i do not think i have seen a S-W knife of any pattern in yellow cell. so i'm hoping to find out how common it was. (most may have been thrown away because yellow is the least stable of all the celluloid colors). i'm hoping the 'old experts' will fill me in.
roland
 
Roland,
About the time the 881y appears in the catalogs(1954), Schrade was playing with different types of plastic. This may be an early version. You can test for cell by rubbing or scratching it with a fingernail should give off an odor similar to mothballs.
 
Man, now i gotta catch a moth and smell his ba**s !
o.k. i rubbed/scratched the knife; no smell. but if it has already gassed off and what is left is stable, then would there still be this camphor like aroma released ?
roland.
 
Roland,
If you keep scratching something unexpected might happen :D
You could even go blind.
 
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