I recently was given a Schrade knife. The blade shows use, the handle had a crack, she aint new. Its a Cliphanger, Schrade+ CHS USA is stamped on the blade. So here's my question. Is it a Taylor Brand outa china, or a real Schrade? The gifter wasnt the original owner and is clueless about it. Its keeps a fine edge and is one of my better knives, Though i would like and updated 'less used' model if they make one. Anyone have any ideas where its from?
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Campbellclanman
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Its not a Taylor Chinese, with Schrade + on the blade it is most likely to be Schrades Stainless Steel - although this is not the case 100% of the time - or so I have read.
Taylor knives just have SCHRADE stamped on them and thats it - NO U.S.A.
Taylor knives are not Schrade - its a shame they even carry on that famous name
With the CHS stamping I would like to see the knife - and the stamping!
Taylor knives just have SCHRADE stamped on them and thats it - NO U.S.A.
Taylor knives are not Schrade - its a shame they even carry on that famous name
With the CHS stamping I would like to see the knife - and the stamping!
Like the others said it is a legit schrade. I remember buying one for myself around 1998 or so. Originally came with a detachable clip so you could hang it from your belt loop and take the knife off when needed.
I carried that knife daily for almost 10 years before the plastic clip broke and it got relegated to the nightstand.
I carried that knife daily for almost 10 years before the plastic clip broke and it got relegated to the nightstand.
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I have one also.
I broke about an eighth of an inch off the tip digging a bullet out of a stump but reprofiled it & used it at work until the pocket clip broke off.
Looking at the old catalogs they fist appeared in 1996 and were made until 2004 when they closed the doors.
I broke about an eighth of an inch off the tip digging a bullet out of a stump but reprofiled it & used it at work until the pocket clip broke off.
Looking at the old catalogs they fist appeared in 1996 and were made until 2004 when they closed the doors.
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CH1 Dynamo Cliphanger- 2 5/8 in. closed clip point, linerlock 1997 1999 $15.95
CH3S Silhouette- Cliphanger -3 1/4 in. drop point, partially serrated, linerlock; possibly introduced in late 1995 1996 2004 $30.95
CH4 Shadow Cliphanger -3 1/4 in. Fully serrated, linerlock; 1996 1998 $29.95
CH4S Spirit Cliphanger- 3 1/4 in. closed, partial serrated, linerlock 1997 1999 $29.95
CH4FE Spirit Cliphanger- 3 1/4 in. closed, linerlock, Fine Edge 1998 1999 $29.95
CH7S Viper- Cliphanger -4 1/2 in. partially serrated, drop point blade, linerlock; possibly introduced in late 1995 1996 2004 $37.95
CH8 Viper CFS- Cliphanger- 4 1/2 in. fully serrated, clip blade, linerlock; 1996 1998 $36.95
CH8S Eco-Edge Cliphanger 4 1/2 in. linerlock- partial serrated 1997 1999 $36.95
CH8FE Viper- Cliphanger- 4 1/2 in. fine edge (no serration), clip blade, linerlock 1998 1999 $36.95
CH14S Sportmate Jr.- Cliphanger- 3 1/4 in. partially serrated, linerlock w/permanate pocket clip 1999 2004 $33.95
CH18S Sportmate Serrated – Cliphanger- 4 1/2 in. partially serrated, linerlock w/permanate pocket clip 1998 2004 $41.95
CH18FE Sportmate- 4 1/2 in. fine edge, linerlock w/permanate pocket clip 1998 2001 $40.95
CH18SJB Sportmate Special Edition “Joe Beaver” “Champion Cowboy” 2002 2002 $32.95
All of the above information came from Dale Vincent.
Although the old Schrade company went out of business in 2004, Taylor Brands still make Schrade knives.
My dear old Dad told me 60 years ago, just look for the U.S.A. - Taylor do not even stamp their knives, made in China.
Just "SCHRADE" no + and no U.S.A. I's not hard to pick a Taylor Brand Knife.
However, when Schrade got some of their knives made in China; they were clearly stamped " Schrade China"
I hope this helps, I found this Flyer; and you can see were it came from... Ken
CH3S Silhouette- Cliphanger -3 1/4 in. drop point, partially serrated, linerlock; possibly introduced in late 1995 1996 2004 $30.95
CH4 Shadow Cliphanger -3 1/4 in. Fully serrated, linerlock; 1996 1998 $29.95
CH4S Spirit Cliphanger- 3 1/4 in. closed, partial serrated, linerlock 1997 1999 $29.95
CH4FE Spirit Cliphanger- 3 1/4 in. closed, linerlock, Fine Edge 1998 1999 $29.95
CH7S Viper- Cliphanger -4 1/2 in. partially serrated, drop point blade, linerlock; possibly introduced in late 1995 1996 2004 $37.95
CH8 Viper CFS- Cliphanger- 4 1/2 in. fully serrated, clip blade, linerlock; 1996 1998 $36.95
CH8S Eco-Edge Cliphanger 4 1/2 in. linerlock- partial serrated 1997 1999 $36.95
CH8FE Viper- Cliphanger- 4 1/2 in. fine edge (no serration), clip blade, linerlock 1998 1999 $36.95
CH14S Sportmate Jr.- Cliphanger- 3 1/4 in. partially serrated, linerlock w/permanate pocket clip 1999 2004 $33.95
CH18S Sportmate Serrated – Cliphanger- 4 1/2 in. partially serrated, linerlock w/permanate pocket clip 1998 2004 $41.95
CH18FE Sportmate- 4 1/2 in. fine edge, linerlock w/permanate pocket clip 1998 2001 $40.95
CH18SJB Sportmate Special Edition “Joe Beaver” “Champion Cowboy” 2002 2002 $32.95
All of the above information came from Dale Vincent.
Although the old Schrade company went out of business in 2004, Taylor Brands still make Schrade knives.
My dear old Dad told me 60 years ago, just look for the U.S.A. - Taylor do not even stamp their knives, made in China.
Just "SCHRADE" no + and no U.S.A. I's not hard to pick a Taylor Brand Knife.
However, when Schrade got some of their knives made in China; they were clearly stamped " Schrade China"
I hope this helps, I found this Flyer; and you can see were it came from... Ken
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If we apply your logic we could say Baer knives are not Schrade either. A member of the Schrade family hasn't made a knife since 1946 in Walden N.Y. and since 1956 in Bridgeport Ct. Until now.
Your issue is country of origin and not the Taylor family.
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As a collector of Schrade knives since 1973, I disagree in this statement.
The Schrade name has always stood for a well made knife at a very reasonable price.
When Schrade started to have some of their knives made in China, the Schrade Quality was still there.
The fact that schrade , stamped their knives made in the "USA" or "China" is the issue.
Taylor Brand knives, display very average quality or workmanship; and fail to show their place of origin.
To answer Gradon's question once again; Gradon, if it is stamped "Schrade or Schrade+" your half way there - all you need is "USA".
And when in doubt, ask questions on this forum - that way you will quickly find most answers... Ken
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An interesting statement William and one that we serious collectors have debated at length over the past decade since ISC was forced into bankruptcy liquidation and the name was bought. I suppose I could best state it as "we shall agree to disagree without becoming disagreeable". By the way, do you have a collection of Schrade marked TBLLC knives? You are aware that some of them were made right here in the U.S. by other cutleries either for Taylor Brands or for a merchant who rented names from the TBLLC Intellectual Property portfolio?
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This is part of the header for this sub-forum and clearly states what was intended. A looser interpretation is fine with me.
"Imperial Schrade Corp. - maker of Schrade Knives & Tools, including the famous Uncle Henry and Old Timer Brands - all made in the USA."
"Imperial Schrade Corp. - maker of Schrade Knives & Tools, including the famous Uncle Henry and Old Timer Brands - all made in the USA."
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We can not forget the knives Schrade had made in China, they were a well made knife.
Schrade were starting to sell them, for the 100th Anniversary... Ken
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Agreed, this forum pertains to knives made under the Schrade banner in USA up to 2004. Knives made in China have no collector significance whatsoever, and it doesn't matter who's banner they appear under.....I don't know what the Chinese do to our good Aussie steel we send them but they will never last like the proven 'Schrade' banner knives made from 1904....ask any fisherman like myself who has used a Chinese made ""stainwess steel"" knife in salt conditions and also had the priviledge to use genuine USA Schrade knives under similar conditions, like I have...the difference is obvious in as little as a few weeks of use.....cheap and nasty has its place but I suggest not on a USA Scrade collector forum....
William, to use your logic in reverse....Henry Ford died in 1947...so he obviously hasn't made a car in America since 1947 even though the family still retain 40% interest.....does it mean cars made after his death are not genuine 'Ford"?......if Ford were made in China now do you think they would be proudly shown and discussed on Ford Forums or displayed by USA Ford enthusiasts?....I think not....the only discussion would be same as happens here from time to time....we attempt to discuss the differences to Newbie USA collectors who are duped into buying Chinese knives, or genuine USA blades from the factory sale ,with Chinese bits hanging off them with Certificates of Authenticity and genuine box's to disguise as 100% USA made knives, by unscrupulous/misrepresenting sellers desperate to make a buck...........Hoo Roo
William, to use your logic in reverse....Henry Ford died in 1947...so he obviously hasn't made a car in America since 1947 even though the family still retain 40% interest.....does it mean cars made after his death are not genuine 'Ford"?......if Ford were made in China now do you think they would be proudly shown and discussed on Ford Forums or displayed by USA Ford enthusiasts?....I think not....the only discussion would be same as happens here from time to time....we attempt to discuss the differences to Newbie USA collectors who are duped into buying Chinese knives, or genuine USA blades from the factory sale ,with Chinese bits hanging off them with Certificates of Authenticity and genuine box's to disguise as 100% USA made knives, by unscrupulous/misrepresenting sellers desperate to make a buck...........Hoo Roo
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I think William was trying to tell us all; he is making knives "until NOW"
I would like one of his knives in my collection one day, all the best William.
As a Collector, to sum-up this part of the digestion;
I feel the Schrade name was used by many companies in the U.S.A. to make knives, using very skilled and proud people for 100 years.
I also feel the owners of those companies, were also proud of the items their workers produced.
Today, the almighty dollar is top of the list, and proud does not come into the equation.
Made in China is OK, Taylor Brands could spend just a little more to produce a better product.
However, as I said above "Today, the almighty dollar is top of the list." and Taylor Brands have not gone broke; yet.
ps, the genuine Schrade Tins and Boxes were being made in China for some time, before 2004.
I have maybe 20 or 30 Schrade tins; ever one has had the little sticker "China' removed by the sellers.
I would like one of his knives in my collection one day, all the best William.
As a Collector, to sum-up this part of the digestion;
I feel the Schrade name was used by many companies in the U.S.A. to make knives, using very skilled and proud people for 100 years.
I also feel the owners of those companies, were also proud of the items their workers produced.
Today, the almighty dollar is top of the list, and proud does not come into the equation.
Made in China is OK, Taylor Brands could spend just a little more to produce a better product.
However, as I said above "Today, the almighty dollar is top of the list." and Taylor Brands have not gone broke; yet.
ps, the genuine Schrade Tins and Boxes were being made in China for some time, before 2004.
I have maybe 20 or 30 Schrade tins; ever one has had the little sticker "China' removed by the sellers.
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I was unaware ISC was manufacturing knives in China. I guess they were trying to cut costs while maximizing profits to stave off bankruptcy. I would bet the Baer brothers would not have gone off shore. What was the sentiment then? Like many corporate acquisitions it's capitalism and the bottom line is profit.
I know the country of origin is a sensitive issue with Schrade collectors and my response to Ray's comment was to bring that to the front. If Taylor bought the company out of bankruptcy and continued to manufacture in Ellenville he would have been regarded as a hero.
I was in Cabellas a few weeks ago and looking at the knives under glass, Case, Gerber, Spyderco, SOG, Buck etc. were under glass. I asked if they carried Schrade and he said in the next Isle. There they were hanging on pegs in blister packs, just like Walmart.
Codger, I don't have any TBLLC knives. All the knives in my family collection are Press Buttons, Flylocks, Prestos and the Springer George made in Germany. There are also prototype slip joints that were being developed before Boker bought the company.
I know the country of origin is a sensitive issue with Schrade collectors and my response to Ray's comment was to bring that to the front. If Taylor bought the company out of bankruptcy and continued to manufacture in Ellenville he would have been regarded as a hero.
I was in Cabellas a few weeks ago and looking at the knives under glass, Case, Gerber, Spyderco, SOG, Buck etc. were under glass. I asked if they carried Schrade and he said in the next Isle. There they were hanging on pegs in blister packs, just like Walmart.
Codger, I don't have any TBLLC knives. All the knives in my family collection are Press Buttons, Flylocks, Prestos and the Springer George made in Germany. There are also prototype slip joints that were being developed before Boker bought the company.