Scott Cook Lochsa versus Chris Reeve Sebenza?

i think they cost a grand and up am i right someone said "worth $600 more than a sebenza"? But wow they are nice looking knives.
 
I love the looks and the apparent quality as reported (I have never held one.) But I will never own one. The single opening stud and the tip up clip are deal killers for me.
 
I like the thumb studs, a I HAVE had the pleasure of handling a Locsha. The prices start at $565 according to Scott's site. Here are the specs., also from Scott's site:
Lochsa Folder



Price: -------- $565

Specifications:
Overall Length ------ 8.25"
Blade Length ------- 3.625"
Total Weight ------- 4.2 oz
Handle Material - 6AL4V
* Stainless steel pin, screw
and thumb lug.
* Phosphorus Bronze bushing and washers.
 
After market prices are set by supply & demand.When I originally purchased my Loscha it was under $500 (I believe $450 ?).Scott Cook was flooded with orders but he can only make so many.The Sebenza is manufatured in a factory and CRK has many workers there so they can pump out a hell of a lot more than Scott Cook.Both folders are excellent at fit & tolerances.I believe the Lochsa takes the Sebenza 1 step further.The handle is one piece of titanium not 2 slabs put together.
When the Sebenza came out I thought it was a thing of beauty with its simple design and masterfull fit.Remember this was before all the other frame locks were out.CRK was the 1'st and still amoung the best.
The Lochsa fit & tolerances are even better if thats possible.The finish is better,The handle has contured edges that are'nt bead blasted.Whats amazing to someone who has handled the Lochsa is how is Scott able to bend the lock bar.Also if you put a flashlight to the inside of the handle you will see a stop pin,how Scott put that inside the one piece handle is another question.
I have'nt measured them but I think the Lochsa's may have a thinner blade or at least ground thinner.The Sebenza is amoung the sharpest blades comming out of the box but the Lochsa I recieved is even sharper.Its the sharpest blade I have with the Buck TNT Mayo 2'nd.
I also have'nt used my Lochsa for the same reason,I would'nt be able to replace it.
BTW I think the slanted thumb stud is amazing.I believe Larry Davidson started them.One of the biggest complaints of the Sebenza is its pointy thumb stud.I would love to see the slanted stud or a disk on the Sebbie.
 
First off, I own eight sebs, mostly LE's in small, large, S30V, Damascus and out of the bunch, I probably use three of them. Very nice knives but IMO the small seb is too small and the large is too large for my XL hands. The Lochsa fits my hands perfectly (ambidextrous). In fact for the past month or so it has been my EDC and I got a sheath made for it be Vess. The other EDC in this size I use regularly is the Mayo TMX; I digress.

Lochsa - Lock up - wins hands down. The one piece Ti handle produces a snap sound unlike any other. Seb owners will roast me for this but since I own multiples of each; I think I know what I am talking about.

Blades - LOL look at the profile and you will see Scott learned his craft well while production foreman at CRK. Tie

You are really comparing a large production house with awesome quality control and products versus a small custom house that has a three year waiting period for a new Lochsa and has just recently started taking orders for the Owyhee fixed blades.

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Two of my Lochsa's

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Three of my non users - just pretty that's all.

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I agree with TKC, the thumbstud is just right. The solid clack at opening is more pronounced on the Lochsa as noted and is very reassuring. The Lochsa is one solid knife and unique in its one piece frame. it carries lighter in the pocket but as I said before, it doesn't have the hand filling confidence that the micarta seb does but I stand by mine opinion that it is well worth the money and the wait.:thumbup:
 
Just curious as to why Scott Cook doesn't make the Lochsa's clip integral as well? I mean, you go to all the trouble to make the entire handle (trying to figure out how he gets that bend in the lock side is driving me crazy) out of one, solid piece of Ti, why not include the clip?

Regards,
3G
 
Well, not everyone wants a tip up or tip down clip, or even a clip at all. Since he does it the way he does, you CAN have the clip the way you want it or no clip at all.
 
T.K.C. said:
I like the thumb studs, a I HAVE had the pleasure of handling a Locsha. The prices start at $565 according to Scott's site. Here are the specs., also from Scott's site:
Lochsa Folder



Price: -------- $565

Specifications:
Overall Length ------ 8.25"
Blade Length ------- 3.625"
Total Weight ------- 4.2 oz
Handle Material - 6AL4V
* Stainless steel pin, screw
and thumb lug.
* Phosphorus Bronze bushing and washers.
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The marketplace is setting the prices of the Lochsa's and to a lesser extent the Sebenza's too.

I have seen NIB Lochsa's sit on the for sale forums for days without an offer. Previously, they would be scooped up in minutes at a pretty healthy premium. The one on my hip was from the original owner and I paid less than the current list price. Of course, you will see some crazy deals but overall, I think the prices are flattening out; not the $975 range like 6 months ago, more like the $600 to $800 range.

Vanilla Sebbies pretty much fetch their original prices while the LE's, computer generated graphics and the other woods seem to lose money overall.

my $0.02 on pricing.
 
RNST said:
I have seen NIB Lochsa's sit on the for sale forums for days without an offer. Previously, they would be scooped up in minutes at a pretty healthy premium. The one on my hip was from the original owner and I paid less than the current list price. Of course, you will see some crazy deals but overall, I think the prices are flattening out; not the $975 range like 6 months ago, more like the $600 to $800 range.
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I have not seen that much weakening in Lochsa prices, if you can find one. If anything, it seems prices have been going up, with one exception that I can think of - Figure around $1000.

Vanilla Sebbies pretty much fetch their original prices while the LE's, computer generated graphics and the other woods seem to lose money overall.
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Which stanks, b/c LE's are the only ones worth owning, IMO: they have much smoother lockup, fit, and finish. They are closest to a CRK custom.
 
This thread makes me want a Lochsa.

Hey Richard, why do you have 2 and I none?

Not fair. Not fair at all.
 
I would love to have a Lochsa, but never will. I wouldn't pay the aftermarket price.

My Sebenza's are a nice a knife as I will ever need, and to tell the truth I could get buy with a lesser knife than a sebbie. But am Glad I have a large and small micarta sebbie.
 
I think the Lochsa is a natural evolution of the Sebenza, and I think Scott did a great job with it. I prefer the Sebenza, though.

From a practical standpoint, I do not care for the un-vented handle design. Of course many people cite that as an improvement, so opionions vary. I also think of the Sebenza as a refined working knife, but the Lochsa as more of a spartan work or art. It's a little much for me as a carry knife. Again, of course opinions vary.

I've had a number of opportunities to buy a Lochsa over the years, but have always passed. The Sebenza is just a better fit for me.
 
I got my Locsha around mid 2003, when Scott was just starting, and I got S90V version. IMHO that is one of the best knives I've ever had. It's been my EDC since then.
I've had Large Seb, returned it in 3 days. had small BG-42 seb for few years, got bored and sold it.
Lochsa is still with me every day and going strong :) I love it.

 
3Guardsmen said:
Just curious as to why Scott Cook doesn't make the Lochsa's clip integral as well? I mean, you go to all the trouble to make the entire handle (trying to figure out how he gets that bend in the lock side is driving me crazy) out of one, solid piece of Ti, why not include the clip?

Regards,
3G
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My guess is for pure aesthetics. No pre-drilled holes elsewhere on the "frame". The unbroken beauty is more important to him than versatility perhaps.
 
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