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chrisjgilmore

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Currently I have interest in the SOG Pentegon and the Boker Applegate daggers. I am interested in these knives soley for dealing with parties looking to do harm to me or my family when we are out in public. With that said I live by a few simple sayings one of which is "I would rather be tried by 12 than barried by 6" so don't bother telling me the legalities of carrying such knives. :D

If you would care to comment on which knife you consider a better "fighter" please do. I have read all of the other forums quite throughly on this topic whether or not they reference these knives. If you have another suggestion please feel free to make it but let me know why you feel it's better than the 2referenced above.

Thanks
 
If your only concern is protecting your family with no consideration to the law, just carry a concealed handgun.
 
deathshead said:
If your only concern is protecting your family with no consideration to the law, just carry a concealed handgun.
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Yep, a gun would be better. Get a concealed carry permit and it's even legal. That said, the Boker is much better.
 
I do carry my SIG P229 when I am able to but there are some times when a gun just isn't a possibility. Whith that said what is you vote?
 
No offense, but I am not sure what you are trying to get at. The largest double-edged fixed blade knife you are comfortable carrying will be your best bet. I can't think of a place where a small handgun like say a Beretta Tomcat will not be a possibility to over a large knife. A small handgun is still your best bet.
 
What I was trying to get it is rather simple. I was simply trying to get some input on which is the better self defense knife. Although I understand your statements about "just carry a small gun" that doesn't answer my question. With my preamble about not caring if it was legal or not was an attempt to keep the folks out there in the forum on task when answering the question. I have been reading for weeks now and more oftern that not folks go off on tangents not related to the question being asked. With all of that said would you care to elaborate on which one you might choose and why?
 
OK, I got you. I don't want your first experience here on Blade Forums to be an unpleasant one.
This explaination is what I would carry if I wasn't thinking if I was breaking the law. Also, it would be helpful to know if you have any training in knives. I am going to assume that you don't.
When having a knife for self-defense, I think on of the most important things to consider when choosing a knife is retention. 1. You don't want to lose your knife. 2. You don't want the other person use your knife against you. Also related to retention is having a knife built so that it stays in your hand properly. You don't want a knife without something like a choil, fingerguard or hole protecting your hand from being severly cut due to your hand slipping hon the handle when thrusting.
I can go on and on. But this is just a few factors to consider.

I would carry a double-edged push dagger. It is difficult to disarm from the owner. You just need to know how to punch to use it. Also, you can attain very powerful thrusts with this type of knife. And because the handle is horizontal to the blade, it will not slip in your hand.
Here are the 2 push daggers I would recommend to you. I hope that one of them will be in your price range. I would really suggest that you invest in a knife with some descent quality. You can buy some cheap knives at the flea market like some that I am talking about.

I would recommend the Cold Steel Safe Maker. It is the cheaper of the 2. It should run a street price of around $50 I think.

If you really want quality and are willing to pay for it, I would recommend Thanatos from Szabo Inc. It will run you a whopping $225.


There are also good push daggers from custom designers. Wilson Tactical I believe has some also. There are more around.
Other people will have their own advice and opinions also. Many will not agree with me. I recommend you take in all of our comments.
 
By the way, Benchmade makes an all black push dagger that is all metal also. It is very thin and comes with a very nice sheath. You can wrap the handle with paracord to make it grippier and not add a lot thickness to the knife itself.
 
Thx for the info that is mostly what I was looking for. As for training I have the standard military hand to hand combat training.
 
If you don't have any formal knife training, then this may be your best bet. Formal knife training will even teach you how to hold a knife. With a push dagger, hand to hand combat training should be enough.
 
Guys there is going to be a time when you just are not going to be able to pack around a pentagon or those massive push knives. I just want to suggest to go smaller, a tiny little straight handle straight blade knife, like the coldsteel superedge or ag russell woodswalker in a kydex belt sheath is a really great option for self defense, it is very fast in deployment and will get someone off you in a hurry if you are unexpectedly jumped on.
 
stickbobby said:
Guys there is going to be a time when you just are not going to be able to pack around a pentagon or those massive push knives. I just want to suggest to go smaller, a tiny little straight handle straight blade knife, like the coldsteel superedge or ag russell woodswalker in a kydex belt sheath is a really great option for self defense, it is very fast in deployment and will get someone off you in a hurry if you are unexpectedly jumped on.
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If you want compact, but still have a large blade, that is why folders were made. I recommend folders with a wave.
 
A little pepper spray goes along way. It is not as cool as a knife but how about carrying some, Sabre makes one that looks like a pen. You can have it in your shirt pocket. Every time I have seen pepper spray applied in a real life situation it worked as opposed to say an impact weapon, which failed to work everytime I saw one used in real life, pepper spray is just one of those things that really work.
 
I know this is a heresy in the knife world but I dont put any faith in folders at all. Why? Because you need fine motor skills and stability to deploy them. Even the waves, my premise is that self defense effectiveness and the knife that you use has to be useable in the situation where you are unexpectedly blindside tackeled to the curb, can you get your blade out under those conditions with someone on top of you mauling you? a small fixed blade in a kydex sheath performs in those circumstances the folder fumbles.
 
Tell me what it is about, and what is your thinking about impact weapons, I have an open mind and I am willing to listen to anything you've got to say.
 
Try the video again. I think I will make a new thread about this.
Stickbobby just post any of your questions. It is too broad of a topic for me to go over all at once.
 
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