SD knife for horizontal carry

I cant open the video where I am now but that is ok. About impact weapons I think the mag light , the big one with all the d cell batterys is a good choice. I think all fist loads are just martial arts fantasy, I think, because I have watched it with my own eyes time and again, the asp is a dangerous liability. Wouldnt mind chatting a bit about this.
 
Mags are good, but you cant always carry them everywhere due to their size. Also, they are crappy as a flashlight.
About fist loads, I would disagree with you. They can be very effective, but it will never by my first line of defense. But kubotans and koppos are very effective force multipliers.
So my recommendation for a flashlight for self-defense would be either the Surefire E2D Defender or the Vital Gear F2. The E2D is a better brand, but the F2 can fight a brighter bulb.
Great self-defense technique would be a knife with your lead hand and a flashlight such as one of these in your other hand by the side of your head. Nothing like blinding first, then shooting in to thrust with your knife, then hammering down with your flashlight. The flashlight by itself can be used in a similar manner by itself. Flashlight in your lead hand. Flash than pommel. With a fistload such as this, you have the option of devastating hammerfists and reverse hammerfists. The object also solidifies the fist for more solid punches. I recommmend the hammer and reverse hammerfists though.
 
Deathshead thank you for the reply and the information but I dont understand the tactics, first blind then shoot in to hammer? Why not blind and escape? Why not pepper spray and escape if you can see the trouble coming that far off?
 
stickbobby said:
Deathshead thank you for the reply and the information but I dont understand the tactics, first blind then shoot in to hammer? Why not blind and escape? Why not pepper spray and escape if you can see the trouble coming that far off?
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I edited what I said earlier. I guess my mind was going than my fingers.

Nothing wrong with running away. That is the first rule of SD. Avoid a confrontation however you can. But if you must use your flashlight or pepper spray, I am going to assume that you are cornered somehow. Why else would you be welding these items?
I really don't recommend pepper spray or Mace for that matter. Too many pitfalls with product. It's affected by wind. Assailants on drugs or just plain determined may not be affected. You might spray yourself. I would use pepper spray if it was the only thing I had on hand, but here are just plain better options around. You have joined a knife forum. Carry a knife. That is one of the better options. I believe it is only second to the gun.
I have a philosphy in SD when you have no choice.
First Gun.
Second. Knife.
Third. Everything else.
If you can carry a gun for SD then do so. If not then carry a knife. If you can't carry a knife or you lose it in a confrontation, then use anything else including pepper spray, fistloads, keys, change, sand, dog sh!t, whatever.
 
Deathshead, I know I have joined a knife forum, if you wouldnt mind please read my other posts, I have written alot about the deployment of a knife, though I havent gotten any response to any of the detail I put into my posts. I am very serious about the use of a knife, check it out if you would.
 
I have read your posts. I find them very informative and to the point. With that said, in exchanging posts with you the past few hours, I never doubted that you are a serious knife hobbiest. I truly respect your opinions as agree with most of them. I am glad that we can agree with most issues.
 
if you ever consider any non-dagger blades... consider getting a KA-BAR TDI (one of the larger variants perhaps?).

I like the choices so far (especially the push daggers) and they do make perfect sense without extensive knife training...
 
I watched the video, that video portrays almost exactly the scenario that Im talking about when I talk about the lack of usefulness of folders for responding to a sudden assault and the need to always have a blade on you that you can employ with simple gross motor skills, I would have stabbed that guy as many times as I could have, when I talk about pepper spray Im talking about trouble I can see coming but cant avoid. If Im jumped on the street and assualted Im yanking my knife and stabbing. Belive it or not my whole approach got started from working in an acute care locked psych ward, a fifty year old little female nurse was my first knife "instructor" and she taught me and showed me about instant deployment, so many martial arts people just seem to be playing Batman or Spiderman and choose weapons and tactics because they are cool and fuel the warrior fantasy, why do I beat the drum on small fixed blades and pepper spray, because they work. I respect you to, not the least of which for your courtesy and considerate posting, but I have to disagree with you on most of your points about pepper spray. Ask people who use it in their work, it is incredibly effective, dont just think about it, find out for sure. Pepper spray is a tremendous advantage over an agressor you know is coming but cant avoid.
 
chrisjgilmore said:
Currently I have interest in the SOG Pentegon and the Boker Applegate daggers. I am interested in these knives soley for dealing with parties looking to do harm to me or my family when we are out in public. With that said I live by a few simple sayings one of which is "I would rather be tried by 12 than barried by 6" so don't bother telling me the legalities of carrying such knives. :D

If you would care to comment on which knife you consider a better "fighter" please do. I have read all of the other forums quite throughly on this topic whether or not they reference these knives. If you have another suggestion please feel free to make it but let me know why you feel it's better than the 2referenced above.

Thanks
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I feel almost apologetic for getting back to the original question, but all else being equal, the longer the blade, the better. Thus the Boker with a 10" blade would be better than the SOG with a 6" (I may be off some on lengths, but I think they're about right - corrections always appreciated). Greater reach in a fighter is never bad!

Both of these blades are more of stabbers than slashers - another reason to prefer greater length.

The downside is that the smaller the blade, the easier it is to carry without attracting attention. I'm curious to know how you're planning on carrying these horizontally without being obvious about it - but maybe I'm off there - maybe you want to be obvious about carrying the knife.

Best of luck, and may you never have to use it.
 
Grampa,
These are the deminsions on the Boker Overall length 10 3/4" (27.2 cm.) Blade 6" (15 cm.) Weight 9.3 ozs. (245 g.) and here is the SOG 5" blade 9.75" overall and 5.8oz.
I do understand the slashers vesus stabbers and that does make sense to me so I will take that into account. One thing my training did teach me is the importance of neutralizing limbs during a knife fight as well as the kill shot.

As for the carry question I plan to carry it at the back of my belt in a sheath I will make myself. I have some experience working with leather so it will most likely be my material of choice.

Thanks for the ontopic response!
 
If you want a small concealable super-easy-to-carry knife with great retention you should get a Hideaway. It's impossible to drop, has great carry options, and I think is probably legal in most placed due to its small size. Great alternative to the push dagger.

I agree that everything else equal, length of blade should be a factor, but like they say, the best knife is the one that you carry not the one that you leave at home because it's too large/heavy. Plus, with flesh compression, like another BF member said (I forget who), a 'strong man can punch a guy in the stomach and have it come out his back'.
 
Of those two blades, I'd say Boker with the same reason with Grampa.

I've learned and practiced SD movements for a few years(back when I was kid). Those movements were based on martial arts, and they were simplified and distilled down to the essence, I say. Of the martial arts, those fancy, showy movements are truly good for show but less practical, but that's not all of martial arts. There are moves quite practical and useful. Practicing martial arts is not to use all those flashy movements, but to absorb those basic / complex movement in your body so that you can use it instinctively.
Yeah, you would have already known these, just not pointed out, but I'd say it nontheless for those who read it without knowing it.

That being said, I also sometimes doubt about carrying a knife for possible SD situation. It can work against you, and if it works for you, you can get in trouble with law. A defence stick would be better option in general. However, there are cases where a drastic measure might be needed. Recently, a serial killer has been apprehended in the region I live. He killed / harmed around 10 people confirmed and the police is trying to find out how many more. The police suspects there might be more victims. He assaulted his victim with wrench and beat them to death I heard. Horrible. But when such psycho approches you, how can you know he's going to kill you or not? A bully or mobs may announce their threatening intention known, but a psychotic killer wouldn't let you know his killer intent before.

What the heck. I gotta practing those SD movements again.
Best of luck. Hope you don't have to use those tools.
 
Hello chrisjgilmore!

I think to choose a knife for SD or as a backup for your P229 and pepperspray is a good idea. If you get cornered by a surprise attack you're lucky if you can draw anything at all and at contact distance, what it would probably be, it would be quite useless to go for your gun (remember the old 21 foot rule). A knife is the more dangerous and efficient weapon at contact distance anyway.
A symetric double edge is in my opinion more effective than a single edge because you can cut in both directions and it's the same efficient knife no matter from what direction you get a grip on it (weak hand draw for example). To be able to cut in both directions at the attackers arms, hands, throat, ...whatever is a clear advantage, but from my experience a full size combat dagger is quite useless for concealed carry.
I sometimes carry a slim compact dagger (fällkniven G1 Garm, Böker/Magnum Submariner) eighter on the Belt inside with TekLock or IWB. After handling my
large CS GFX push dagger (forget it) i ordered myself the large CS Safe Maker (still waiting).

You can carry a push dagger pretty concealed IWB. The grip wont poke you like with a normal dagger and the draw and punch are faster too. It also will fit your natural combat stile as mentioned before. I also agree that a push dagger is harder to disarm, BUT if somebody gets a grip on your hand, the push dagger is quite useless due to the angle of it's blade, while with a normal dagger you still can cut the attackers arm. I have to admit there are by sure techniques you simply can't do with a push dagger but that's of small concern here. It's simple and effective, so if you feel comfortable with it, get one. If you're more comfortable with a dagger, better get a compact one for concealed carry.

The fast draw, natural punch and conceiled carry advantages are also valid for the Ka-Bar TDI. It can't be hard to get a second edge on a large TDI if you want one. Though not symetric this knife feels good and natural in the hand. It is worth a closer look. I'll get one.:D

O.K. i'll stop bobbling and come to my recommentations:
Cold Steel Safe Maker (the large one)
Böker AF-Boot (Yep! they make a smaller version too)
Katz Avenger
SOG Pentagon (only if you feel comfortable with the Lack of a finger guard)
Ka-Bar TDI
SIG P239 (smaller than your P229, and a SIG like yours)
Glock 26 (i love it)
EDIT: Blackjack Blackmoor Dirk 4.5" (i forgot that Blackjack is up again)

Just try out what works best for you!

Of course a weapon is no substitute for training by itself, but you already know that. A Knife can't be a substitute for a gun in every situation eighter and you probably know that too. I'd suggest to take a look at subcompact guns too.
Please don't forget that there is a high possibility that you land on your back in hand to hand combat. I would not want to carry anything on my belt on the 6 o'clock position because it could cause serious injury to the spine.

EDIT: Of course you can mount anything in a kydex sheat with a TekLok horizontal on your belt if you like that.

Stay safe!
RogerRabbit
 
I think the size of the knife and the size of the guard on the A/F would make it not only difficult to conceal in the manner you describe but also might make it likely to snag on a shirt tail or jacket. The Pentagon is very slim and has no gurad but the handle is extremely grippy and allows for a good thumb or palm on the butt. The mini pentagon might also be worth considering as well as the new counter strike knives from cold steel, these seem to be updated version of there peacekeeper daggers. For frontside horizontal carry Bob Dozier probably makes some of the best knife/sheath combos available with either single or double edged blades. Bud Nealy also must get a mention IMO in any discussion of concealed fized blades though he and Dozier may be more expensive then you want.
If I had to chooose between your two pics it would be the pentagon for ease of concealment and deployment over the a/f but then I am comfortable with the lack of guard.

good luck
 
Hey Guys..

In my opinion...

A small single edged blade, pointy with good hand purchase and non slip with a quick sheath is ideal for SD..

Keep in mind that a double edged blade, will not only get you into trouble, as daggers are frowned upon,, they also have a tendency to bite their owners....

It's better to have a small single edged blade that is easy controlled and can be used in many different grips...

ttyle

Eric...
 
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