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irsh said:
Is there a "best steel" for serrations? I must admit that I don't have a single serrated blade, yet I am intrigued.
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Not so sure about BEST steel.
But the h1 and lc200n are a bit softer yet perform well in se. Serrations last significantly longer between needing to be sharpened. So there is a plus in that area !
 
Skar said:
Spyderco is where my focus is.
I have two se salts, which is primarily how I've discovered this new appreciation.
I think se salts are a focus point as this is where the serrations shine.

I was also looking at the police but I would prefer to stay with the salts.
I suppose I'm looking to suggestions that I don't know about yet.
Such as your obtainable favorites.

I'm thinking a dragonfly is in my future soon.
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Seems to me you have already found the perfect combo. Spyderco + H1 + SE = happy. H1 with its work hardening properties is the perfect steel for SE.

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To shift gears on you: take a look at Victorinox. If you like saks at all, Vic has some great serrations on a few of their models. I know it's not super-duper-extra-special mega steel, but it is super easy to sharpen with just a few minutes and a leather strop. Their standard se pattern is not as deep or aggressive, but it cuts well and at least it is on the correct side of the blade. It just bugs me that most serrations are on the wrong side...

The pattern they use on the 111mm Soldier model is.. different. But it works well. The serrated part is at the tip so you still get about an inch of pe at the base of the blade. It's a good balance imo.

You'll just have to look if you don't already know them. Hope this helps.
 
Shorttime said:
I'm a plain edge fan too, but I like at least the concept behind ESEE's serrations. They're only on one side of the bevel, so the idea is that they're easier to sharpen.
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Aren't all serrations like that?

I want to get more into USING serrations. I like the half-serrated blade on my Leatherman Wingman, use that all the time... I have an old G-2 Stainless Serrated Spyderco Snap-It (has like a little coat-hanger with a metal snapper to hang on things instead of a pocket clip) that I'm thinking about pressing into service, also thinking about getting a serrated LC200N knife. I know that everyone talks about serrated H-1, but if the edge retention on LC200N is better, wouldn't serrated LC be better? It is not a brittle steel.

A lot of my serrated knives are "classic" Spydercos, like my precious first-run CPM-440V (S60V) Military. I also have a lot of reverse-S serrated Spyderco knives, my Matriarchs, Civilian, Cricket, Dodo... as well as a serrated Black Talon II from Cold Steel that I just got, great knives, those.
 
Hashishiin said:
I know that everyone talks about serrated H-1, but if the edge retention on LC200N is better, wouldn't serrated LC be better? It is not a brittle steel.
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H1 serrated is supposed to have greater edge retention than H1 plain edge. Sal has said elsewhere that the edge retention of H1 plain edge is not quite as good as VG10 in this regard, which is "hard enough" for most purposes and easily resharpened.

LC200N plain edge is suppose to have greater edge retention than H1 plain edge. So. LC200N serrated "should" also have better edge retention than H1 serrated and, in turn, LC200N serrated should have better edge retention than LC200N plain edge.

H1 should be marginally better than LC200N in corrosion resistance (10 vs 9) and toughness (7 vs 5). So, the main advantage of LC200N over H1 is apparently in edge retention and, of course, H1 is easier to sharpen than LC200N (8 vs 6) but neither should be very difficult to sharpen.

See: BHQ - Knive Steel Comparison Charts to see their comparative charts for LC200N and H1.

On the other hand, MagnaCut should have better edge retention than both H1 & LC200N, should be more difficult to sharpen and should be about equal (or better) in corrosion resistance than both. I don't think I've seen a serrated Magnacut yet but the pending Native 5 Salt is supposed to be available in both plain edge and serrated.

The also pending UK Penknife Salt is also supposed to be released using LC200N in both plain edge and serrated. So, a direct comparison between Magnacut and LC200N in both plain edge and serrated in knives about the same size should be possible sometime in the (near?) future.

See: 2022 Spyderco Product Guide - Page 74

So, all other things being equal, it seems that MagnaCut (in either plain edge or serrated) would be best for heavy use, LC200N better for moderate use and H1 sufficient for light use.
 
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Hashishiin said:
Aren't all serrations like that?

I want to get more into USING serrations. I like the half-serrated blade on my Leatherman Wingman, use that all the time... I have an old G-2 Stainless Serrated Spyderco Snap-It (has like a little coat-hanger with a metal snapper to hang on things instead of a pocket clip) that I'm thinking about pressing into service, also thinking about getting a serrated LC200N knife. I know that everyone talks about serrated H-1, but if the edge retention on LC200N is better, wouldn't serrated LC be better? It is not a brittle steel.

A lot of my serrated knives are "classic" Spydercos, like my precious first-run CPM-440V (S60V) Military. I also have a lot of reverse-S serrated Spyderco knives, my Matriarchs, Civilian, Cricket, Dodo... as well as a serrated Black Talon II from Cold Steel that I just got, great knives, those.
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Kinda, yeah. The difference is better explained with a close-up of their serrations.

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They're more spaced out so they don't make points. Unless you spend the time to sharpen every single scallop (argh!), you end up sharpening down the points, anyway.
 
Shorttime said:
Kinda, yeah. The difference is better explained with a close-up of their serrations.

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They're more spaced out so they don't make points. Unless you spend the time to sharpen every single scallop (argh!), you end up sharpening down the points, anyway.
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I'm down to sharpen every scallop! Haha, I like my points. But, that is still just on one side of the bevel, isn't it?

I just realized "how" you sharpen serrations the other day, while trying to just get the plainedge half of my Leatherman blade, I was like "Ohhhhh, that's how it's done", but I see how that can quickly do away with files.
sgt1372 said:
H1 serrated is supposed to have greater edge retention than H1 plain edge. Sal has said elsewhere that the edge retention of H1 plain edge is not quite as good as VG10 in this regard, which is "hard enough" for most purposes and easily resharpened.

LC200N plain edge is suppose to have greater edge retention than H1 plain edge. So. LC200N serrated "should" also have better edge retention than H1 serrated and, in turn, LC200N serrated should have better edge retention than LC200N plain edge.

H1 should be marginally better than LC200N in corrosion resistance (10 vs 9) and toughness (7 vs 5). So, the main advantage of LC200N over H1 is apparently in edge retention and, of course, H1 is easier to sharpen than LC200N (8 vs 6) but neither should be very difficult to sharpen.

See: BHQ - Knive Steel Comparison Charts to see their comparative charts for LC200N and H1.

On the other hand, MagnaCut should have better edge retention than both H1 & LC200N, should be more difficult to sharpen and should be about equal in corrosion resistance to both. .I don't think I've seen a serrated Magnacut yet but the pending Native 5 Salt is supposed to be availabe in both plain edge and serrated.

The also pending UK Penknife Salt is also supposed to be released using LC200N in both plain edge and serrated. So, a direct comparison between Magnacut and LC200N in both plain edge and serrated in knives about the same size should be possible sometime in the (near?) future.

See: 2022 Spyderco Product Guide - Page 74

So, all other things being equal, it seems that MagnaCut (in either plain edge or serrated) would be best for heavy use, LC200N better for moderate use and H1 sufficient for light use.
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Yeah, that was what I was gonna tell the guy asking the best serrated steel, "I don't know, but I know that H-1 serrated is better than H-1 plainedge".
I'm excited for Magnacut, too, just to see what the new super-stainless can do. It seems that BD1N and S45 are pretty dang stainless though, there's some BD1N sitting in the water right now in my kitchen. SPY27, too, that steel just seems like a better BD1N to me. I would totally rock that SPY27 "Colorado" PM2 that must be the slowest selling PM2 Sprint Run of all time, if it wasn't so expensive compared to a normal one.
 
I don't like serated edges, for two reasons: difficulties of sharpening and (2) if a tooth breaks off, there no way to sharpen it out. I also don't see the advantages of SE over a toothy PE for 99% of my knife task.
 
sharp_edge said:
I don't like serated edges, for two reasons: difficulties of sharpening and (2) if a tooth breaks off, there no way to sharpen it out. I also don't see the advantages of SE over a toothy PE for 99% of my knife task.
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They are a pain to sharpen. Especially Cold Steel serrations. They sell a cheap Lansky ceramic stick designed for Cold Steel serrations. But it doesn't work all that well. I'll take a plain edge over a serrated edge any day of the week
 
I was excited, cut a plastic tie with my tasman. After teasing my kids in the pool like why would you think I have a knife on me ?! Wife had bought sunglasses and pool toys for the kids at a resort.

Seemed like I barely touched the strap and cut right through the tie like a wet noodle.
I haven't used a serrated knife since I was 12. A little nostalgic I guess.

I haven't sharpened it yet so maybe I'm headed for a headache.
I still carry a pe alot but I definitely am looking more at serrated knives and have began carrying them more often.
 
Serrated edges work great but the cut is not as clean as a plain edge. It all depends on what you are cutting. For food prep, plain edge I feel is best. For general utility serrated is best. You can strip the insulation of a cable with both, and the scalops on the serrated edge helps for the cable not to slide off the blade. Serrated rules when cutting fibrous material, such as rope, webbing or clothing.

Besides the serrated portion of a the SAK blades... all my serrated knives are Spyderco (some Salt, some not). I am quite happy with them.

Mikel
 
DayofReckoning said:
I love how robust and tough Spyderco's serrations are. Cold Steel's serrations cut great, but the little teeth get broken off too easily. Spyderco might have the best serration pattern of any factory knife.
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Cold Steel used to use the spyderco type serrations. They should have continued
 
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