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Search and Reward

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I've been thinking about an old bloke that went walkabout a few weeks ago and still hasn't been found. Initially our search was very intense involving lots of people, resources and effort ... sadly without success. Bushland so dense that he could be 10 feet away and not be seen. I'm still planning searches in my head just to try to fininsh a task.
Then there's those that go missing, get found, tell their story of survival to get paid mega bucks and not give anything back to the efforts that go on in the background ... your thoughts please ...
 
So you are looking to get paid more for being SAR? I'm not sure I'm reading this right.
 
No, its about groups not individual reward. Volunteer organisations that are constantly running fundraisers etc.
Its also about discouraging intentional survival exploitations.
 
It sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders and don't give up easily. I would like to see some people that have made money off of their situation give back or get in to SAR themselves. I'm not familiar enough with all the people that have been saved that later went on to make money off their story and didn't give back so I can't really give an educated opinion on the matter.
 
G'day Dartanyon

Then there's those that go missing, get found, tell their story of survival to get paid mega bucks and not give anything back to the efforts that go on in the background ... your thoughts please ...
Sounds like the recent dodgy example of the British backpacker who was "lost in the bush" and ended up getting paid $200,000 for his story. I heard he did manage to find it in his heart to donate $1,500 to the local SES :thumbdn:

To be honest, I've got serious doubts he was even lost in the first place :thumbdn:



Kind regards
Mick
 
Maybe the old bloke has simply decided like me that it is better to die in the woods, fall out of the boat, etc., than to go to the nursing home. When you get north of 60 years old you start thinking about things like that.

My family has already been advised that if such happens to me, to consider me to net out a winner.

No, I am not suicidal, but I'm not going to go into a shell, either.
 
Gidday Mick ;)
Yep ... one of many. There's the doubts along with all the other thoughts.

I have thought about the old bloke just wanting to rest in peace. You'd think he might have left a clue?
 
you keep looking.
the hell with everybody else.


the search man , the search......
besides , there's a nice walk around in it for you

all good
 
No, its about groups not individual reward. Volunteer organisations that are constantly running fundraisers etc.
Its also about discouraging intentional survival exploitations.

I don't understand the issue with SAR running fundraisers. If I could get my school schedule worked out I would be joining our local unit. I looked into the costs and it is pretty for each member. Fundraising helps the group to defray those costs.

G'day Dartanyon


Sounds like the recent dodgy example of the British backpacker who was "lost in the bush" and ended up getting paid $200,000 for his story. I heard he did manage to find it in his heart to donate $1,500 to the local SES :thumbdn:

To be honest, I've got serious doubts he was even lost in the first place :thumbdn:



Kind regards
Mick

These types disgust me.

Maybe the old bloke has simply decided like me that it is better to die in the woods, fall out of the boat, etc., than to go to the nursing home. When you get north of 60 years old you start thinking about things like that.

My family has already been advised that if such happens to me, to consider me to net out a winner.

No, I am not suicidal, but I'm not going to go into a shell, either.

I know I wanna die in the woods somewhere. Just leave me be...
 
Its no different on this side of the globe either.

Unpaid professionals get no respect. This is why I try and remind found subjects and their family that I do this for free and the team accepts donations.

Dont get me started on the dickheads that feel its their god given right to get lost and rescued and then complain about the manner in which I provided that service.

Skam
 
So you resecue someone and then tell them you take donations? That's exactly what I'd like to hear when I'm in the one of the worst situations of my life that lead me to needing to be rescued.

Most people people are ignorant and lack common sense, try and remember that and you won't be so dissapointed while doing your job.
 
The biggest issue is that there appears to be a reward for palcing yourself in a survival situation, the longer the better.
These days if you do something that makes the nightly news and tabloids then there's someone waiting to pay for an exclusive story ... the juicier the better, and there's a payoff that will buy you a house at the end??
There should be a commission that goes to volunteer services!
 
The biggest issue is that there appears to be a reward for palcing yourself in a survival situation, the longer the better.
These days if you do something that makes the nightly news and tabloids then there's someone waiting to pay for an exclusive story ... the juicier the better, and there's a payoff that will buy you a house at the end??
There should be a commission that goes to volunteer services!

I agree 100% that television is doing a good job at glamorizing survival situations. Everything from reality based survival to TV shows showing how to stock pile crap. It makes it appear as it's no big deal.
 
I don't see a problem with groups repeatedly running fund raisers. Sure they can be pests, so can any charity that is seen as always having the hand out, especially if it is for stuff that isn't interesting, but we do have a successful tradition of it here. The R.N.L.I and St John Ambulance are good examples.

As for this; “tell their story of survival to get paid mega bucks and not give anything back to the efforts that go on in the background”, I'm taking it that the assertion is that it ought to be incumbent on the rescued party to make some sort of donation if they manage to wrangle profit from their ordeal further downstream. I can't get with that for the simple reason – parity.

People manage to profit from various apparently harrowing ordeals; write books, sell to newspapers, give TV and radio appearances all sorts of stuff. How many my heart pumps piss interviews have we seen in which a parent has capitalized upon some medical procedure their child underwent, or even in some instances one in which their child has been a victim of crime. Then we have goons such as Terry Waite that against advice go off meddling, get themselves into difficulties and cost my country money, and then spend a bunch of time taking up a bed at Ticehurst that ought to have had a combat PTSD suffer in it that earned their spot. All these and more frequently go on to profit. While all the while all along the chains there are people in the background that may feel undervalued from the low paid triage nurse, the firefighter, the WI volunteers that rattle a box in the hope of a few pence in exchange for their unpaid tea making services, the sleep deprived junior Dr., the mountain rescue bloke, and so on. In short, tough. These people aren't under duress to either do that as their preferred method of getting an income or to donate their free time to it. My standard response would be rather similar to a whinging politician – if you can't hack it get the hell out of public life, somebody else can.

To reify a little - A couple of months back not so far from here some bloke was out on one of those surfboard with a parachute attached contraptions, an activity that I consider dangerous. His episode went pear shaped when the wind got up. He got blown up the beach hit a rock and died. Had he lived and gone on to profit from a new book he wrote about the perils of his sport, with anecdotes about that episode, I see no rightful claim from; the lifeboat that attended, the volunteers first on scene on the beach, the paramedic that turned up on a bike, the heli crew that evacuated him, or the medical staff that mended him. I think it would be ludicrous to suppose any of them were entitled to any portion of it. And I think that's at the heart of all this; once a person has assumed a position for a while they tend to exchange gratitude for entitlement. I believe it is known as taking something for granted. It is an insidious rust that must never be pandered to.
 
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my bro in law used to be a volunteer fire fighter and he would very often have to get up at insane hours because stupid kids decided to make a fire in a garbage bin, i think volunteers should see some money from fines or in survival cases they should get a healthy percentage of the money people make off of their stories. It seems like people dont realize that these men and women are 1. risking their lives 2. sacrificing their free time and family time, purely to help what in a lot of cases are people being very unprepared or very irresponsable

I also think that in situations like backcountry skiing/snowboarding if you are doing it when an area has a high avalanche risk and you get stuck in an avalanche you should have to pay for at least the partial cost of rescue, imo if you are doing something that is rather unsafe you shouldnt expect tax payers to save your ass every time
 
“if you are doing something that is rather unsafe you shouldnt expect tax payers to save your ass every time”

A problem with that here is that if we were to judge on a basis of cost to the tax payer for unsafe practices we would be able to leverage money from those that fail to prevent having children they can't afford, or who drink alcohol, or who are fat or otherwise make choices that detrimental to people that don't behave like that. I am forced to contribute to breeders, bloated gesslers, and pissheads that place an enormous burden on the tax payer. As I see it that tends to be overlooked because most people are out of shape, do drink unwisely, don't exercise rigorously, do have children ill-advisedly and to keep the money rolling in to prop up their insanitary and docile existences they seek out-groups to penalize. When you take into account exactly who the elephant in the room is it is clear just who the parasites really are, and it aint the fit guy out in the sticks that might run into trouble once in a blue moon.
 
“if you are doing something that is rather unsafe you shouldnt expect tax payers to save your ass every time”

A problem with that here is that if we were to judge on a basis of cost to the tax payer for unsafe practices we would be able to leverage money from those that fail to prevent having children they can't afford, or who drink alcohol, or who are fat or otherwise make choices that detrimental to people that don't behave like that. I am forced to contribute to breeders, bloated gesslers, and pissheads that place an enormous burden on the tax payer. As I see it that tends to be overlooked because most people are out of shape, do drink unwisely, don't exercise rigorously, do have children ill-advisedly and to keep the money rolling in to prop up their insanitary and docile existences they seek out-groups to penalize. When you take into account exactly who the elephant in the room is it is clear just who the parasites really are, and it aint the fit guy out in the sticks that might run into trouble once in a blue moon.

you do make an excellent point and really where does it end, so maybe its best to let the idiots be idiots and slowly let them work themselves off the planet
 
So you resecue someone and then tell them you take donations? That's exactly what I'd like to hear when I'm in the one of the worst situations of my life that lead me to needing to be rescued.

Most people people are ignorant and lack common sense, try and remember that and you won't be so dissapointed while doing your job.

Thats what I do, as they are clinging to life I ask for money.:rolleyes:

How about you use some common sense.

If the situation allows it is slipped in a non direct way with tact and respect.

SKam
 
Gidday Mick ;)
Yep ... one of many. There's the doubts along with all the other thoughts.

I have thought about the old bloke just wanting to rest in peace. You'd think he might have left a clue?

I tend to agree with MikeH on this. When I am sure that I am dying and can still make one last long walk into the bush, that is my decision and I guarantee that no one will find me, which is what I would want. You go with a minimum of gear/supplies and live till you die and return to the Earth like we were meant to.
 
I tend to agree with MikeH on this. When I am sure that I am dying and can still make one last long walk into the bush, that is my decision and I guarantee that no one will find me, which is what I would want. You go with a minimum of gear/supplies and live till you die and return to the Earth like we were meant to.

I respect an individuals right to die however they wish. However, as long as I have the strength to get far enough into the bush to not be found, I hope to have the strength to keep living. There are always grand and greatgrand kids, shorter trips into the woods etc.

Also, I've never starved to death in the woods, but it seems unpleasant. My chosen way to go is not "not enough strength to move and covered in ants."

Mike
 
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