Searh Warrant Knife

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danc

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Hey John,
My duties have changed a little and I am back into a position where I am serving Search warrants 2-3 times a week, and luckily, I often need to pry or bust something open/ up! So searching the site a ways back, I came back to NoahL's aniversary knife #1 concept. My question to you is if we beefed up the stock on that and took out the cut out near the end of the handle, would that stand up to a little hammering on the handle end driving it into spaces to open things up. ( think slow secondary search part, not the main entry ) Also, if you think this would be plausible, would the canvas micarta be the way to go, or keep it all metal with a few holes/ cut outs, or wrap it in cord etc.?
What do you think John or if Anyone has a better thought concept, I would love to see it. I also know that nothing beats the dedicated pry bars and sledge hammers, and I have and use those, but I am looking for something that can do a little dual duty/ urban rescue idea that NoahL had I believe originally envisioned.
Thanks
 
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I`ll have to search a bit to find that design. Canvas micarta would be the way to go, with a little of the pommel area extended for hammering on. I`ll look for it today. If you get time, send me an email, and we can discuss it further. Can you direct me to where you saw the design?
 
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I searched Aniversary Knife contest and it was designed by Noah, L. I tried to cut and paste, but it didn't work for me.
 
Is this it?

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that's it! but again, i suggested the use in the above, if you have a better thought etc, let me know.
Dan
 
The Scout Jr. has been chosen by at least three S.W.A.T. officers, as well as 4 trainers, that I know of for sure. That`s always a possibility, I could always put an extended, exposed pommel on it. I could do the blade any length you prefer. I`ll leave the decision up to you, I have no police experience. Maybe some of the other officers who hang out here might have an opinion. Or, you could always design something.
 
Hi John,

I have actually seen one of theses used, many years ago, I believe it was 1/4 in. I like it, the pommel was flat for smashing. Maybe this is something you could use.
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That`s an interesting idea. Is it a chisel grind, or ground on both sides?
 
Just a thought. What about a scaled up version of the P.D.T.? Maybe 9" overall, 1 1/2" tall, 3/16" thick, with a chisel ground blade and tip, ground on both sides? Put some contours on the handle. Just rambling.......
 
John I like that a lot! let me look at it a while over a beer or two, and see what questions pop up, but I like the design a lot.
 
Hey John looks even better after three beers, what's your thought on blade length in the 9 inch overall length? By the way it looks like an extremely functional design, that can also be used for "regular tasks." I was focusing on the prying ( I know you shouldn't do that with a knife, but i do sometimes) but the cutting that you use the blade for will be used at least 80% of the time for this knife, and your blade looks like it can do it all, penetrate, pry, and cut. Great design. Also thinking more of a Kydex sheath. Your thoughts? I was also thinking about the Wasteland leatherworks sheath that Noah L made for the Phoenix that could be used horizontal. I have additional equipment on my side when I would anticipate using this knife the most, so the thought of the horizntal sheath, in the small of the back area, seems like it makes sense. I'll look this over a little more, see if anyone else comes up with suggestions that make sense, but it looks like you have a winner of a design already, and much more practical than I had first envisioned. EVERYONE else, if you can think of something to modify/add etc, let me/ John know, this will be something that I will use for the next..... years constantly, so I would like it to be well thought out.
Take care
Dan
 
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Here is another version from a new company, it's 5/16 th, chisel all the way around
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danc said:
Hey John looks even better after three beers, what's your thought on blade length in the 9 inch overall length? By the way it looks like an extremely functional design, that can also be used for "regular tasks." I was focusing on the prying ( I know you shouldn't do that with a knife, but i do sometimes) but the cutting that you use the blade for will be used at least 80% of the time for this knife, and your blade looks like it can do it all, penetrate, pry, and cut. Great design. Also thinking more of a Kydex sheath. Your thoughts? I was also thinking about the Wasteland leatherworks sheath that Noah L made for the Phoenix that could be used horizontal. I have additional equipment on my side when I would anticipate using this knife the most, so the thought of the horizntal sheath, in the small of the back area, seems like it makes sense. I'll look this over a little more, see if anyone else comes up with suggestions that make sense, but it looks like you have a winner of a design already, and much more practical than I had first envisioned. EVERYONE else, if you can think of something to modify/add etc, let me/ John know, this will be something that I will use for the next..... years constantly, so I would like it to be well thought out.
Take care
Dan
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I had figured 4 1/2" blade, but I can go longer on blade, handle, or both. As for kydex, I can make it with a removeable belt loop, so that it can be carried vertical or horizontal (S.O.B.)
 
Have you considered a hawk instead of (or paired with) a knife? A 9" blade and 5" ish handle would yield a tool with an OAL of around 14", which would put you in the size range of a hawk. You could add a flat area off the top, rear or bottom for prying a well. The hawk blade could be used as a knife and you would have, IMO, a superior prying tool and CQB weapon, not to mention something that was all kinds of cool! I would supplement that with a smaller fixed blade or folder. Just an idea......
 
I have three of john's knives in 3/16 inch stock. All three have been hammered intonwood by the hilt to pry it apart. The design is a personal preference, but my hiker hd, is what I use for demo work, such as prying door frames out, and cutting through drywall.

Op, your design will be executed flawlessly by John, and 3/16 stock is more tha adequate for many prying tasks, especially with jokn's convex grind geometry.
 
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Have you considered a hawk instead of (or paired with) a knife? A 9" blade and 5" ish handle would yield a tool with an OAL of around 14", which would put you in the size range of a hawk. You could add a flat area off the top, rear or bottom for prying a well. The hawk blade could be used as a knife and you would have, IMO, a superior prying tool and CQB weapon, not to mention something that was all kinds of cool! I would supplement that with a smaller fixed blade or folder. Just an idea......
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I`ll be starting the first spike hawk tomorrow, I`ll be sure to post pics.
 
That cardboard cut out looks good. I wonder about that tip though if prying. Maybe a little straighter, less of an angle up to the tip?

I'll be interested to see what this leads to.

I'd considered something similar for Fire Dept. use. I wanted something that fit in a turnout pocket. Kind of a last ditch tool to get oneself out of trouble if needed and separated from our irons (axe and hallagan).
 
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