Seasonal OT price spikes?

I haven't been following 165 prices specifically, but in the overall issue of seasonal spikes, I've noticed the same thing.
There are also wild swings in availability.

$25 for a 165??? Seems I paid over a hundred for an unused eBay example, and that was years ago.
 
Tax refund time can also drive up prices on auction sites. More dollars chasing a finite number of knives.
 
Actually Stickbow SMKW bought a lot of the plus steel blades which were edged and heat treated at the Ellenville factory.I think there was some legality issue with Schrade USA selling the leftover stock from their models in Old Timer or Uncle Henry's delrin scales so wood replaced it.I guess Stewart Taylor said 'you can sell off the original blades and parts but can't look 100% exactly like what I'm manufacturing in China since I own the trademark now'.
 
The way I see it no they aren't quite the collectible of an original Schrade USA but a Bob Loveless PH1 Pro Hunter in Schrade USA's 440A Plus Steel with that nice handle shape and full tang construction? how could I refuse.All China did was rivet on the scales and that's it and I liked the original delrin scales but as a composite it is cheaper than laminated wood...opinions vary if they like natural or synthetic when it comes to durability and craftsmanship detail.
 
Frotier76 said:
The way I see it no they aren't quite the collectible of an original Schrade USA but a Bob Loveless PH1 Pro Hunter in Schrade USA's 440A
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What is "a Bob Loveless PH1 Pro Hunter"? Is that the same as "a Schrade PH1 Pro Hunter"?
The first Schrade – Loveless knife was a “Schrade RL2” ; and the second Schrade – Loveless knife was a “Schrade Custom Hunter CH2”.

I have not seen anything saying the Pro Hunter blades were finished before the 2004 sale.
Were the blades fully finished by Schrade, or were they finished off in China when the wooden handles were fitted?
 
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Well, it is good that they are so easy to tell from the real ones. I personally don't care for the frankenknives built from leftover parts. I guess some people must like them though because eBay is flooded with them. What it affects mostly are new collectors who don't know the difference, both now and years down the road. At least Taylor is using distinct tang markings on his knives which, as long as sellers don't obscure them, are rather easy to discern as TBLLC products. He has even evolved his packaging away from those early copies of the Imperial Schrade packaging. But I note a lot of sellers mateing original boxes and papers, or copies thereof, with the Chinese finished frankenknives to either fool buyers or to lend some "legitimacy" to their wares.
 
I like the Final Run Certificates; a seller sent me a book containing 100 pagers of them.
There is still sellers out there, selling knives with these phony Certificates.

Often you see Bob Loveless’ name used, when sell a Schrade PH1 or PH2.
 
No..I wasn't implying this was the first knife Bob Loveless designed for Schrade USA I'm just saying the PH1 is not exactly common fare of Schrade USA like an LB7 Bear Paw or an 8OT Stockman.The PH1 I believe was only made from the early to mid 90's and it's a very sweet hiking and hunting knife.
 
Frotier, I did not aim any offence at you; We are all friends her, trying our best to help each other enjoy collecting Schrade items made in the USA before 2004.
(Australians can offend any one very quickly - we do not hold back)
I always like to put down the sellers that try to rip off collectors; that are just starting off collecting Schrade knives and tools. Ken
This is my "Schrade Pro Hunter - PH2".
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The first "Schrade-Loveless Hunter CL2"
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The next Schrade-Loveless was called the "Schrade Custom Hunter CH2"
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This is my only Schrade Pro Hunter PH1.
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This Special Order set (2002-2003?) has a nice PH2 with Blue Bone Handles.
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Codger_64 said:
Patterns take swings throughout the year. It is a good hunting knife pattern and hunting season is upon us, as well as the gift-giving seasom. Imagine what it would be right now if the Chinese copies and the Chinese wood handled and finished USA blanks were not being bought by bidders who don't know the difference or care? But if you were seeing USA 165's new in the box back a few months ago going for $25, I certainly missed them. Or are you talking about rough users? Generally speaking, the further we get from July or 2004, the higher the resale prices of the remaining new in the box USA Schrades have gone. Even taking into account the declining purchasing power of the dollar since then. Of course the price of the Chinese copies remains near the MSRP of the originals in the 1967 catalog.


I just ran the inflation calculator and it comes up thus:



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So $150 for a new in the box early example is not really as outrageous as it might first seem.

Looking at the last MSRP from 1991, the last catalog in which the pattern appears as a regular production item produces this:



So $85 or so for a last production piece new in the box complete is not as bad a deal as it seems.
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Mike,
If the government told the truth about inflation,the adjusted numbers would be over $400.
Ben Bernanke and the Federal Reserve printed almost $3 Trillion in the last 2 years,and bought US bonds with it in order to hold interest rates down.
What do you think that did to the value of the dollar?
Ever hear of Zimbabwe? They did the same thing only more so.
I see some pretty decent user 165's,going for $40-$55.

If these 165's are US made,who is making them?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SCHRADE-USA...rue&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557#ht_128wt_882


Ron
 
Chinese Pakkawood handles with Chinese brass rivets and Chinese cross guard complemented with a Chinese re-constituted Chinese leather something...all on an original U.S. blank from the Barrels of parts at the sale....almost U.S. made.....almost...not for this little black duck at any price..........Hoo Roo
 
Please the pics

PRE 2004 Blade ARE from SCHRADE USA ELLENVILLE FACTORY
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Well, sure. Seller is telling the truth in what he say. The blades did originate in Ellenville, U.S.A. He fails to mention that they were sent by SMKW or Blueridge or both on a little spa vacation to China where they were finished, handled, inspected and returned for sales to eBay sellers by the carton. These late production stainless blades intened for limited editions might well serve someone as a user. Perhaps the same or better than the current imported copies. I don't have one of either and don't feel like my collection is missing anything, save the nearly thirty originals stolen a few months back during the Great Schrade Robbery. I've since replaced one of those, but it was with a new in the box original.
 
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