Sebenza 25- Personal opinions

I like that analogy of the 25 Tom, it is exactly that!! A cross between the Umnumzaan and the Sebenza!! :thumbup:

nyefmaker said:
When I first got my sebenza 25 I did not really care for it. I actually thought about selling it. I ended up moving from my apt and it being the only knife around, I clipped it to my pocket. It was mint at the time, but after having moved all day long, it got the typical Ti scuff mark. I figured I would give it a try and it has since become one of my favorite CRK's. I still love the large regular sebenza, but I really like the 25. I was never a fan of the 21 sebenza either, but it has since grown on me as well over time. Since I lost my large 21 silver dog paws, my sebenza 25 has been by my side keeping me company hoping to find its long lost brother.

The sebenza 25 is basically a umnumzaan version of the sebenza. You get the zaan lockup with the feel of the sebenza. Amazing things happen when one puts a sebenza and a umnumzaan in a drawer together. They mate and you get the 25 sebenza.......presto......!!!
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Oh yea Doc!! You have got to get an Umnumzaan!!:D I just picked up another at the Post Office today!! Cant get enough!! Actually it was a missing link in my Umnumzaan Collection. Another long boring post with lousy pictures is in the works!!
And again great review!!
All the best, Dave
erdoc8921 said:
I don't have an Umnumzaan, so I could not compare them. Maybe that will be next?
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I have owned a small sebenza 21, classic large 21, large regular moonsong, large polished 21, large 21 double studs, large 21 devin thomas ladder, an umnumzaan new pivot, and a 25. Out of all of them I liked the 25 the most in terms of use and how it felt in my hand. I've sold them all over the years and miss the 25 very much. Currently on the market for a 25 and a zaan old style pivot :D
 
Great review, and timely for me as I just received my first CRK last night in the mail, and yes it is a 25. In doing my research here, and elsewhere, it seemed I'd like the 25 the best, and I was able to find a lnib one here on the Exchange. It hasn't disappointed me at all. Wonderful knife!
 
You all guys forgot one important thing about Sebenza 21,it's is bush pivot.
This small design make 21 better knife than 25.
No needs to a adjust the pivot screw on 21.
No needs to disassemble the handle on 21 to clean the knife.
The 21 is 21,and 25 is not replacement of 21.
 
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V a d i m said:
You all guys forgot one important thing about Sebenza 21,it's is bush pivot.
This small design make 21 better knife than 25.
No needs to a adjust the pivot screw on 21.
No needs to disassemble the handle on 21 to clean the knife.
The 21 is 21,and 25 is not replacement of 21.
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They are different knives. And I can easily adjust the pivot on my 25s to be just like my 21s.

My 25s flick open a little more easily than my 21s do. Does that make the 25 superior to the 21? No it does not.

They are different knives. Just because the 21 has a bushing does not make it a better knife.
 
I love everything about my 25 apart from the pivot and the stop pin. If it had pivot bushing and a round profile stop pub it would be the perfect knife.
 
jmclfrsh said:
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They are different knives. And I can easily adjust the pivot on my 25s to be just like my 21s.

My 25s flick open a little more easily than my 21s do. Does that make the 25 superior to the 21? No it does not.

They are different knives. Just because the 21 has a bushing does not make it a better knife.
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Just because they are different,that means 21 with bushing makes it better knife,because its easier to klean the knife without disassembling it.

Plus a stop pin is a pain in a 25 design.
 
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V a d i m said:
You all guys forgot one important thing about Sebenza 21,it's is bush pivot.
This small design make 21 better knife than 25.
No needs to a adjust the pivot screw on 21.
No needs to disassemble the handle on 21 to clean the knife.
The 21 is 21,and 25 is not replacement of 21.
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You got it right on! In addition, the one design most raved - dual purpose ceramic ball location/captivation - IMO, flawed both 25/Umnumzaan and help kept me from ownership:

http://payload132.cargocollective.com/1/10/338756/4952250/2014UmnumzaanPivotResize_o.jpg
 
victorf said:
You got it right on! In addition, the one design most raved - dual purpose ceramic ball location/captivation - IMO, flawed both 25/Umnumzaan and help kept me from ownership:

http://payload132.cargocollective.com/1/10/338756/4952250/2014UmnumzaanPivotResize_o.jpg
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I get it that you are thinking the design is flawed..I may agree if the ball location and captivation was spinning or cycling at thousands of times..It simply isn't..As a machinist and or toolmaker, you certainly recognize this trick? I have used it many times..
So,..if this methodology is flawed and the 21 is the model to be followed,..then the heat treat of the lockbar is perfect?

CRK is trying to eliminate problems and provide value to the end user..Each iteration brings something different to the table.

I quite like how my 25 and Umnumzaan differ than the action of the 21..It doesn't mean that the 21 OR the Umnumzaan pivot or locking mechanism are superior..It just means that we are advancing beyond the stone wheel with new ideas...Better? Maybe, maybe not.

Now, let's take the locking mechanism.. Do you think that maybe this was an attempt at getting fewer returns on sticky locking mechanisms, thus reducing interaction with end users by going to a captive ceramic ball?

I am, as well as CRK,..All ears on reducing this warranty work. Perhaps suggest something that is better while not increasing costs.


I think you have your homework cut out for you..Better pack a lunch :)
 
Debate over the internet?

Usually gets nowhere - with everyone trying to prove how much more they know or how smart they are and..........you get my drifts?

I simply stated my "Personal opinions", in accord with OP's "Thread: Sebenza 25- Personal opinions".

I did not asked for any rebuttals, but this is an open forum, I accept rebuttals are inevitable. There is no pleasure for me, in the event, causing a stink, for the OP's thread to be - "Locked" - and I am the reason! :o!!

Sorry, I am not joining for lunch.....And I leave it at that!:)
 
Saying one is "better" than the other is pure opinion. It really depends on the user and their own personal preferences. The 21 and the 25 are both great knives. Umnumzaan too. And in my use I've never had any problems with the ceramic ball on the 25 or Umnumzaan. I think we can all agree that CRK makes some awesome knives.
 
V a d i m said:
Just because they are different,that means 21 with bushing makes it better knife,because its easier to klean the knife without disassembling it.

Plus a stop pin is a pain in a 25 design.
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How is the 21 easier to clean than the 25? What makes the cleaning process different? Why do I need to take the 25 apart for cleaning, but not the 21? I'm confused :confused: I own both and clean them the same way. Light cleaning without dissassembly, and periodic full cleaning apart.

Help me understand this point?
 
kidcongo said:
How is the 21 easier to clean than the 25? What makes the cleaning process different? Why do I need to take the 25 apart for cleaning, but not the 21? I'm confused :confused: I own both and clean them the same way. Light cleaning without dissassembly, and periodic full cleaning apart.

Help me understand this point?
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+1. I rarely take my 25 apart all the way.
 
No reason to take a knife apart just to lightly clean. Maybe if it's horrible gritty dirty and that only happens once in a blue moon if I drop it in the porta john, I will completely disassemble and clean every orifice. Applying fresh grease? On a CRK, yes. All my other knives just a quick drop of militec and it's taken care of. I only take my Sebenza apart if there is a noticeable problem that a quick rinse and dry won't fix.
 
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kidcongo said:
How is the 21 easier to clean than the 25? What makes the cleaning process different? Why do I need to take the 25 apart for cleaning, but not the 21? I'm confused :confused: I own both and clean them the same way. Light cleaning without dissassembly, and periodic full cleaning apart.

Help me understand this point?
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Bushing Pivot on 21,thats why.

And,you can easily clean 25 without disassembling,same like 21? If yes,good for you!

But 21 with bushing pivot is a LOT easier to clean.

Just my opinion.
 
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