Sebenza lock failure?

[1966c10]

Nah, I wouldn't chalk it up to early lock up. I'd say it's far more likely that this guy either bent his lock bar off camera, or he damaged it previously by performing his all important spine whack tests.

If you want a folding knife that you can spine whack to your heart's content, go for one of those tri-ad locks that everyone is swearing by nowadays. Personally, I'd prefer knives that I can blow clean with just a strong puff. I've had two lock backs fail on me due to excess detritus in the lock mechanism, and although they were fine after I cleaned them out, those experiences have scared me a bit.

No, I don't plan on spine whacking anything. Also I would have expected Chris Reeve Knives to have been able to determine if the lock was bent during warranty. Sorry you weren't able to tell that your lock-backs' had debris in them. Usually that means the lock bar is proud of the liners near the tang and low in the release relief. The tang notch on a lock-back is available for you to "puff" and so is the lock bar. But I'm glad that you agree a locking folder should have a strong lock.

 

[Cynic2701]

No, I don't plan on spine whacking anything. Also I would have expected Chris Reeve Knives to have been able to determine if the lock was bent during warranty. Sorry you weren't able to tell that your lock-backs' had debris in them. Usually that means the lock bar is proud of the liners near the tang and low in the release relief. The tang notch on a lock-back is available for you to "puff" and so is the lock bar. But I'm glad that you agree a locking folder should have a strong lock.

Oh, I was able to tell, but only after I nearly cut my index finger off! In my defense, I was wet, muddy, and cold, and not really paying too much attention. I'm sure the lock-back was slightly raised, but I sure can't remember feeling it.

Anyways, my official test is that the knife can lift my desk with my computer and all my desk stuff (~80-120 pounds). Have yet to have a knife fail other than some cheapo POS made in China liner locks. Maybe it's not a very good test? I just don't lift very many desks in my daily knife uses.

 

[snowreaper1]

I think this thread has gotten enough unwarranted attention and Ill admit I contributed probably more than I should have.
In the end all this guy has brought to the table is his "opinion" and hes entitled to it but no one should take his vids as fact and
look to him as the end all be all authority on locking blades. We all have resources at hand and are able to do our own research and
come to our own conclusions. Controversy sells and if that was his intention then he succeeded. Lets not do him any more favors
and allow this thread to drop to the depths where it belongs.

 

[Rooster81]

I, um, you know have a knife...wait, lemme go back. And so, um, like I have bought a locking knife, one of the ones on this vid, right, you know? And so i wanted to, like, you know test it. Um, ok? So realistically speaking, I mean, I wanted to test it, right? SO now um, now I wanted to test it, to see if it was good, I mean, you know. So I um, tried, um I tried to push the blade ok with my like, hand ok, to see if it would fail, you know ok? And it didn't, I mean, right away, you know. Because after that, I just um, hit the back of the, um, you know, lol, I forget exactly what it's um, you know, called, the name, I mean um, you know? Oh! I mean the, you know, spine of the blade. So, I um, you know it the spine with a sledge hammer and it um, you know, disengaged. So, you know, I mean realistically, right, realistically a light use EDC non tactical you know, blade should be able to handle that, I mean, right? SO I would definitely not recommend this knife, ok? And I contacted the owner after I did, you know, my like, um totally realistic test, and um you know, he like said to send the, you know, knife back to him and he would look at it, but he had, you know a bad attitude about it and um, like, said, you shouldn't hit knives like that with, you know um, like a hammer. But in a real life, non tactical situation, I mean, this is totally a realistic, you know test, something you just have to consider, you know? So, um, yeah, don't um like buy it, ok?

 

[sgt244]

OF COURSE the lock will fail on the sebenza.. that knife is a "woman".. its not a work-horse.. Its delicate, not news to my ears.... looking for a touch folder?.. look into Strider knives...

I love to read all of these fan-boy chriss reeve knives talking about their experience with the sebenza and how good it is =D... no problem for me, i understand and appreciate that honestly you guys show but please open your minds and dont be thinking, ohh no CRK"s are the be all end all..

Later folks

I'm not sure if anyone has seen these videos or if I am reposting. If this is a repost let me know and I will close the thread. But im interested to see what people think about this video, he pretty much calls the sebenza and umnumzaan garbage and then shows the lock failing. I'm not really sure if this is legit or not so I'll let you all have a look at it.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-GARi8Q8GM

 

[kawr]

Lets summarize what happened. He made a few unclear videos about the Sebenza failing. He then sent in the Sebenza and CRK took a look at it. No comment from CRK, most likely because he's too classy to feed a troll. CRK fixes the Sebenza and sends it back to Neptuneknives, who most likely abused it. The guy then proceeds to beat the crap out of the Sebenza and cant make it fail. He then accuses Mr. Reeve of tampering with his Sebenza to make sure it wouldnt fail. Guy gets mad and says the Sebenza lacks features compared to other knives and specifically mentions lack of choil makes the Sebenza crap. Pretty retarded because a choil is preference and not having one doesnt mean its a crap knife. Some people prefer the superior cutting length that a choil-less blade has. He's entitled to his opinions but all of his logic completely broken and its just all biased around how a Strider knife is made compared to a CRK. His logic of lockup, angles, grinds, construction, pivots, etc is either completely wrong or a contradiction. He's entitled to give an honest opinion but he should not be allowed to spread false information.

 

[kawr]

OF COURSE the lock will fail on the sebenza.. that knife is a "woman".. its not a work-horse.. Its delicate, not news to my ears.... looking for a touch folder?.. look into Strider knives...

I love to read all of these fan-boy chriss reeve knives talking about their experience with the sebenza and how good it is =D... no problem for me, i understand and appreciate that honestly you guys show but please open your minds and dont be thinking, ohh no CRK"s are the be all end all..

Later folks

Yep. I'll buy another Strider when I want an overpriced, tough piece of junk that needs to be sent in every 3 months to be fixed for unsafe amounts of vertical play. In fact I heard the more Striders you buy the more tactical you become, until you finally level up to Ninja Assassin Marine.

 

[joewoo]

you went on for so long hahahaha

I, um, you know have a knife...wait, lemme go back. And so, um, like I have bought a locking knife, one of the ones on this vid, right, you know? And so i wanted to, like, you know test it. Um, ok? So realistically speaking, I mean, I wanted to test it, right? SO now um, now I wanted to test it, to see if it was good, I mean, you know. So I um, tried, um I tried to push the blade ok with my like, hand ok, to see if it would fail, you know ok? And it didn't, I mean, right away, you know. Because after that, I just um, hit the back of the, um, you know, lol, I forget exactly what it's um, you know, called, the name, I mean um, you know? Oh! I mean the, you know, spine of the blade. So, I um, you know it the spine with a sledge hammer and it um, you know, disengaged. So, you know, I mean realistically, right, realistically a light use EDC non tactical you know, blade should be able to handle that, I mean, right? SO I would definitely not recommend this knife, ok? And I contacted the owner after I did, you know, my like, um totally realistic test, and um you know, he like said to send the, you know, knife back to him and he would look at it, but he had, you know a bad attitude about it and um, like, said, you shouldn't hit knives like that with, you know um, like a hammer. But in a real life, non tactical situation, I mean, this is totally a realistic, you know test, something you just have to consider, you know? So, um, yeah, don't um like buy it, ok?

 

[frontline29]

Thanks for posting "pure speculation". That was awesome, thought provoking, and was in no way a completely biased fanboi post.

If you'd like to verify your "pure speculation" as true, both parties can be reached at (208) 375-0367 and (909) 725-1004...

Alright guys,
I was on the phone for three and a half hours with Neptune, and I just could not get a straight answer out of the guy.

The only thing I could get out of him was the following quote...

I, um, you know have a knife...wait, lemme go back. And so, um, like I have bought a locking knife, one of the ones on this vid, right, you know? And so i wanted to, like, you know test it. Um, ok? So realistically speaking, I mean, I wanted to test it, right? SO now um, now I wanted to test it, to see if it was good, I mean, you know. So I um, tried, um I tried to push the blade ok with my like, hand ok, to see if it would fail, you know ok? And it didn't, I mean, right away, you know. Because after that, I just um, hit the back of the, um, you know, lol, I forget exactly what it's um, you know, called, the name, I mean um, you know? Oh! I mean the, you know, spine of the blade. So, I um, you know it the spine with a sledge hammer and it um, you know, disengaged. So, you know, I mean realistically, right, realistically a light use EDC non tactical you know, blade should be able to handle that, I mean, right? SO I would definitely not recommend this knife, ok? And I contacted the owner after I did, you know, my like, um totally realistic test, and um you know, he like said to send the, you know, knife back to him and he would look at it, but he had, you know a bad attitude about it and um, like, said, you shouldn't hit knives like that with, you know um, like a hammer. But in a real life, non tactical situation, I mean, this is totally a realistic, you know test, something you just have to consider, you know? So, um, yeah, don't um like buy it, ok?

This thread is far from the class we are use to seeing here in the Chris Reeve forum.

Let this thread die boy's.

 

[vwb563]

OF COURSE the lock will fail on the sebenza.. that knife is a "woman".. its not a work-horse.. Its delicate, not news to my ears.... looking for a touch folder?.. look into Strider knives...

I love to read all of these fan-boy chriss reeve knives talking about their experience with the sebenza and how good it is =D... no problem for me, i understand and appreciate that honestly you guys show but please open your minds and dont be thinking, ohh no CRK"s are the be all end all..

Later folks

"that knife is a "woman".. its not a work-horse" Hummm, let me see here. The Sebenza is a titanium frame lock knife built by the man kown as the father of the frame lock. Has the soothest action of any knife that I have ever examined and I have examined a lot! The lock face is heat treated and is solid as a rock making it pretty much maintainance free and will not develop blade play even after a decade of use. Has an extremely sharp S30V / S35VN blade with a deep hollow grind making it one heck of a slicer / cutter. Has a heavy duty one screw clip attachment system with robust threads instead of the three micro screw system with tiny weak threads like most knives have. It uses a large heavy duty stainless steel screw assembly system which the company actually reccomends using (the tool is included) to take the knife appart for cleaning / maintainance and it won't void your warranty like most other brands will. It uses a phosphor-bronze pivit washer system instead of nylon washers like some "heavy duty" brands of knives uses.
Yea, seems like a "non work-horse woman knife" to me too!

 

[Matthewd]

I can't believe this thread still has activity - obviously the guy has mental problems, not blade problems. Watch some of his other videos - There is definitely something wrong with him.
Please put this to rest.

 

[arjung]

Yep. I'll buy another Strider when I want an overpriced, tough piece of junk that needs to be sent in every 3 months to be fixed for unsafe amounts of vertical play. In fact I heard the more Striders you buy the more tactical you become, until you finally level up to Ninja Assassin Marine.

shit slinging on either side isn't very mature.

I don't agree with a lot of what he does, but whatever it's the internet. He's entitled to do what he wants with his own knives.

PS. I've had and used my Strider SnG as well as my Sebenza for over a year. Neither have developed significant vertical play or failed during this time. They're both good knives that were designed from a different point of view.

 

[bernard_s3]

Wow who is this guy? Watch his other video testing the compression lock on a Paramilitary 2. He abuses the hell out of it!

 

[Rudeco]

shit slinging on either side isn't very mature.

I don't agree with a lot of what he does, but whatever it's the internet. He's entitled to do what he wants with his own knives.

PS. I've had and used my Strider SnG as well as my Sebenza for over a year. Neither have developed significant vertical play or failed during this time. They're both good knives that were designed from a different point of view.

:thumbup:

I have to agree with you both your points good knives, and they are his knives so he can do what he wants. We know and experience different things with our Sebenza or Umnumzaan. So lets let this thread crash and burn.

 

[nosaj03]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and personally based on the ignorant comments I've read about the guy who was just stating his opinion based on his personal experience, I'm amazed at the level of intelligence here. Apparently when you join a knife forum and buy knives that qualifies you as a knife expert and gives you the right to talk down upon someone and dismiss what someone is actually showing you and label them as being a "tool" or "stupid". Common really!?!? I guess because he doesn't agree with everyone else he should be chastised?!? He claims in all his vids that he's not an expert and just going on based on his experience but I guess unless he agrees with the general consensus he's wrong. This is such a poor showing of what a knife community should be. The majority of the comments are just childish without any evidence to back up why he's wrong.

This is my opinion feel free to bash me or whatever you guys like to do. Personally I've never liked any of the sebbies I've owned and I don't plan to own another Reeves knife. Personally I wouldn't wanna be associated with a group of people who are quick to criticize others for having a difference of opinion about their coveted over hyped knives. I'm an American and I believe in the freedom of speech. Those who choose to go against that should really think abouy who's really being the "tool" and have their knife privileges taken away.

 

[konigsberg13]

Wine and cheese we all expressed our opinions how is that un-american?

 

[stabman]

OF COURSE the lock will fail on the sebenza.. that knife is a "woman".. its not a work-horse.. Its delicate, not news to my ears.... looking for a touch folder?.. look into Strider knives...

I love to read all of these fan-boy chriss reeve knives talking about their experience with the sebenza and how good it is =D... no problem for me, i understand and appreciate that honestly you guys show but please open your minds and dont be thinking, ohh no CRK"s are the be all end all..

Later folks

Yep. I'll buy another Strider when I want an overpriced, tough piece of junk that needs to be sent in every 3 months to be fixed for unsafe amounts of vertical play. In fact I heard the more Striders you buy the more tactical you become, until you finally level up to Ninja Assassin Marine.

And this right here is the moronic problem with these threads.:thumbdn:

I own an Umnumzaan, as well as a SmF and an SnG. As such, I am able to categorically say how idiotic both these posts are.

 

[Thomason]

OF COURSE the lock will fail on the sebenza.. that knife is a "woman".. its not a work-horse.. Its delicate, not news to my ears.... looking for a touch folder?.. look into Strider knives...
I love to read all of these fan-boy chriss reeve knives talking about their experience with the sebenza and how good it is =D... no problem for me, i understand and appreciate that honestly you guys show but please open your minds and dont be thinking, ohh no CRK"s are the be all end all..

Later folks

The "Sebenza is a woman" and the "Strider is a touch folder" has me scratching my head but the thing that really gets me is having a quote by John Rambo in a signature line. Seriously, John Rambo?

 

[JNewell]

Yeah, but as someone said, they're not entitled to their own facts.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and personally based on the ignorant comments I've read about the guy who was just stating his opinion based on his personal experience, I'm amazed at the level of intelligence here. Apparently when you join a knife forum and buy knives that qualifies you as a knife expert and gives you the right to talk down upon someone and dismiss what someone is actually showing you and label them as being a "tool" or "stupid". Common really!?!? I guess because he doesn't agree with everyone else he should be chastised?!? He claims in all his vids that he's not an expert and just going on based on his experience but I guess unless he agrees with the general consensus he's wrong. This is such a poor showing of what a knife community should be. The majority of the comments are just childish without any evidence to back up why he's wrong.

This is my opinion feel free to bash me or whatever you guys like to do. Personally I've never liked any of the sebbies I've owned and I don't plan to own another Reeves knife. Personally I wouldn't wanna be associated with a group of people who are quick to criticize others for having a difference of opinion about their coveted over hyped knives. I'm an American and I believe in the freedom of speech. Those who choose to go against that should really think abouy who's really being the "tool" and have their knife privileges taken away.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Yeah, but as someone said, they're not entitled to their own facts.

Daniel Patrick Moynihan was one of the few Americans who could have sat down and talked with Ben Franklin on equal terms.

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I hate to do this, but ... the initial premise of this thread was flawed by the total incompetence of the question, as presented. By now the conversation has become nothing more informative than the exchange of mutual insults. This is not the proper forum for such behavior.

This thread is closed.