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sebenza or strider ?
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I loved the Seb so much I bought the cheap Vtech look alike from New Graham. It's inbetween in size, handled really great. It also brought out I don't really prefer all metal handled knives - many are too slick, I drop them constantly. Handling the SnG tells me titanium in bead blast may not be bad at all, tho.
And yes, the darn sharpening choil is gonna get a treatment of some sort, but now I'm getting used to handling it so it won't snag. It's like the tear drop shape is 180 from the way it should be. Every time I run up against a feature on this knife I give it time to "explain" itself, and usually it comes to "performs better under duty conditions."
It just takes longer to see in my semi-retired suburban usedtobe world.
And yes, the darn sharpening choil is gonna get a treatment of some sort, but now I'm getting used to handling it so it won't snag. It's like the tear drop shape is 180 from the way it should be. Every time I run up against a feature on this knife I give it time to "explain" itself, and usually it comes to "performs better under duty conditions."
It just takes longer to see in my semi-retired suburban usedtobe world.
All BS aside, they are both great knives. As I have mentioned before, a REAL side by side comparison could be done. It could start in the kitchen, go to woods and into a more urban setting. This would give so much enlightenment into the fact that you DO NOT have to baby your Sebenza. If you want a pocket jewel, buy a Cucchiara or other costumized Sebby. Or, if you want to beat the bejesus out of it, get a plain classic or regular. I'm pretty much tired of people finding excuses not to use their Sebenza hard. If it makes everyone feel better, we could maybe persuede a couple of the Spydie Gurus who have no interest in either knife to do the unbiased testing. Imagine the threads on these results!!!
MPE
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There is a cutting test "out there" that compares a Seb, SnG, and others. It has been linked before. But that just compares factory profiling, which reflects the designers intended uses.
ABA rope cutting tests use a highly successful edge profile for hemp, but it doesn't necessarily optimize batoning aged hickory. Blade steels figure in to the mix as heat treats can vary some properties one way or the other, and the designer again skews the working characteristics toward the intended use.
Why CRK prefers a "softer" heat treat factors in sharpenability, ductility, and warranty. I'd like to know the RC's one vs. the other to see what actual difference there is.
ABA rope cutting tests use a highly successful edge profile for hemp, but it doesn't necessarily optimize batoning aged hickory. Blade steels figure in to the mix as heat treats can vary some properties one way or the other, and the designer again skews the working characteristics toward the intended use.
Why CRK prefers a "softer" heat treat factors in sharpenability, ductility, and warranty. I'd like to know the RC's one vs. the other to see what actual difference there is.
Perfect. But you would need a prissy cornish game hen for a Sebenza and a Fighting rooster for the AR right?[/QUOTE
I'm thinking of going out and buying a "Fighting Rooster" to cook up and carve with my Sebenza. The only problem will be, which of the four Sebenzas do I use to end its life?
MPE
What I am talking about is catching a fish and skinning it after the knives were accidentily dropped in the water, batoning hardwoods for a fire, slicing and chopping food to cook up, tap the spine to cut through small branches for a camp fire etc etc. Take the knives out in the wilderness and use them while camping. Forget your fixed blade at home and just use these. Then take them home and without sharpening use them around the house and at work. Keep a thorough log on results.
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Sorry, I left my crystal ball in my other jacket, so your irony entirely escaped me. No problem.
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Background:
Strider - Owned 3, now have 1 (SNG DP, SNG Tanto, PT)
Sebs Owned 3, now have 2 (Large Reg s30v, Small Classic s30v, small reg (BG)
All Models are reprofiled to approx 10-12 degrees back bevel with a approx 20 degree secondary edge.
My Idea of regular use:
1 - Envelopes, assorted paper cutting
2 - Opening plastic battery boxes
3 - Food Prep (peeling apples, pineapples,cutting veg)
4 - Whittling (ranging from making walking sticks, to carving flowers)
The basis for choosing the Sebs over the Strider is primarily 6 fold:
1 - For regular use, if you use your thumb to push the blade for added pressure - the rounded spine on the seb, helps me cut longer, with better comfort.
2 - For my uses, the sebs hollow ground, and smooth blade finish, make it excel against the Striders flat ground, the primary area of excelling the strider is due to the amount of force needed to cut.
3 - The tip is beefier, so when I want to use it as a throwing knife, I don't have to worry as much about breaking the tip.
4 - I Can take apart the seb at will, for maintenance, without worrying about a warranty.
5 - I have had blade play develop in a strider, but not in any of the sebs.
If I am stuck somewhere with only one to use al the time, I am convinced the Seb will be more reliable over time.
6 - Seb is more comfortable in my pocket
Which gets the most pocket time:Seb (Large Regular S30V)
Heat treat:
Strider is easier to sharpen than the sebs, but I can't really tell a difference in edge retention.
Manufacturer interface:
Never had to send a blade to Reeve for repair so far any way, but the Strider team responded quickly to emails, and tried to do what they felt was best. (I did not agree with how they repaired the blade play in the SNG Tanto - but they tried.
Strider - Owned 3, now have 1 (SNG DP, SNG Tanto, PT)
Sebs Owned 3, now have 2 (Large Reg s30v, Small Classic s30v, small reg (BG)
All Models are reprofiled to approx 10-12 degrees back bevel with a approx 20 degree secondary edge.
My Idea of regular use:
1 - Envelopes, assorted paper cutting
2 - Opening plastic battery boxes
3 - Food Prep (peeling apples, pineapples,cutting veg)
4 - Whittling (ranging from making walking sticks, to carving flowers)
The basis for choosing the Sebs over the Strider is primarily 6 fold:
1 - For regular use, if you use your thumb to push the blade for added pressure - the rounded spine on the seb, helps me cut longer, with better comfort.
2 - For my uses, the sebs hollow ground, and smooth blade finish, make it excel against the Striders flat ground, the primary area of excelling the strider is due to the amount of force needed to cut.
3 - The tip is beefier, so when I want to use it as a throwing knife, I don't have to worry as much about breaking the tip.
4 - I Can take apart the seb at will, for maintenance, without worrying about a warranty.
5 - I have had blade play develop in a strider, but not in any of the sebs.
If I am stuck somewhere with only one to use al the time, I am convinced the Seb will be more reliable over time.
6 - Seb is more comfortable in my pocket
Which gets the most pocket time:Seb (Large Regular S30V)
Heat treat:
Strider is easier to sharpen than the sebs, but I can't really tell a difference in edge retention.
Manufacturer interface:
Never had to send a blade to Reeve for repair so far any way, but the Strider team responded quickly to emails, and tried to do what they felt was best. (I did not agree with how they repaired the blade play in the SNG Tanto - but they tried.
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I've wanted to try out a Strider SNG for a long time now but can never get myself to pay the $400. Even at $300 used it doesn't seem worth it for me but I've got no problems paying for a large Sebenza. Maybe I'm biased because I've read about Mick and crew being jerks but I can't help it.
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First, you need a small Sebenza to carry everyday. But, you should get a Strider PT to carry in conditions that you wouldn't want to dirty your Sebenza with. Also, you will need a large Sebenza, for bigger chores. To match the large Sebenza, you will need an SNG from Strider. For the really big chores, you will have to get an Umnumzaan. Again, you need to match it with a Strider, an SMF. If you decide to get a Mnandi, you're screwed for matching, maybe a HAK. Then you get into the territory of Sebenzas with wood inserts, Sebenzas with damascus blades and ivory inlays. Then, you hav to match it, you can't go for the Striders with the special grinds and the Gunner Grips, you have to go for the custom Mick Striders and Duane Dwyers. Well, if you get a damascus Mick Strider custom XL, you will have o match that with a Scott Cook Lochsa with damascus steel and mammoth ivory scales, with gold inlay.
If you have gotten this far, and not an aneurysm when looking at your credit card bill, or have paid in cash, can you spot me a small Sebenza?
If you have gotten this far, and not an aneurysm when looking at your credit card bill, or have paid in cash, can you spot me a small Sebenza?
lol way to reload9 the dead thread. I wonder what the chances that the OP will stumble upon this are.
Touché.
vjb.knife
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I do exactly these tasks and I prefer the Strider SMF. I own both a Sebenza (actually two) and a Strider SMF. I carry the Sebenza almost every day but when I go into the woods for camping, hunting, rafting, wilderness survival training etc. the Strider SMF is with me along with a SAK and sometimes a fixed blade. I have taken the Sebenza but I prefer the heft and stronger construction of the Strider out in the woods.
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i've got three striders, my edc is a pimped tanto sng, had a little blade play tightened up the pivot, and no problem. My other sng is a drop point, locks rock solid, no blade play or wiggle. My AR is an absolute beast, with the tiniest bit of blade wobble. I will say that the tanto blade sng will bind up if i cut with the flat edge, but i primarily use the point where the two grinds come together and it is a fantastic cutter, though i think the bead blasted finish contributes more to binding up the blade than the actual thickness of it.
when i buy a sebbie, it will be put away, and I will continue to beat on my striders because i love the way it fits in the hand and they are designed to stay in your hand no matter how you hold it, whether you are choking up in it(the choil on the blade is great because you are actually holding the blade) or in a reverse grip( the swollen end will not be pulled out of your hand when contact is made) and it indexes very well. Besides, i think the one piece g10 slab and backspacer is sexiest thing out there, but maybe thats cause mines polished. Any way, i will be buying a CRK knife, but i haven't decided yet on the configuration as I will be looking for something other than S30V this time, but as for now it will not be an edc it will be a safe queen.
when i buy a sebbie, it will be put away, and I will continue to beat on my striders because i love the way it fits in the hand and they are designed to stay in your hand no matter how you hold it, whether you are choking up in it(the choil on the blade is great because you are actually holding the blade) or in a reverse grip( the swollen end will not be pulled out of your hand when contact is made) and it indexes very well. Besides, i think the one piece g10 slab and backspacer is sexiest thing out there, but maybe thats cause mines polished. Any way, i will be buying a CRK knife, but i haven't decided yet on the configuration as I will be looking for something other than S30V this time, but as for now it will not be an edc it will be a safe queen.
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the question was Sebenza or Strider , my answer is " yes ".
Can't go wrong with either.
I have had 5 large Reg Sebbies ( dont care for the look of the classic ) and 2 small over a course of 5 years. Never had a problem with any of them , each you could take apart , clean , re-assemble and have no problems. The finish on the blades are darn good at holding up against wear. I haven't had a seb for over a year , picked up a slightly used one a couple months ago , after 1 week , I sold it. Why ? It just did not feel right in my hand ( it was a large plain reg if that matters ). Ergonomic's is it one weakness. If they took the seb and used thicker Ti and radius'd it , it would really take it up a notch.
Money spent on a seb is money well spent.
Strider
I have had about 4 AR's , 2 Sng's and 2 SMF's and 2 PT's . Currently I own 1 AR and 1 Concealed carry PT ( CC PT ). Most of the ones I had are now owned by friends , who just had to have one , else I wouldn't have got rid of them.
I haven't had an issue with fit or finish on any of the Strider folders I have owned or currently own. In fact , my user is the PT CC , and comparing it last weekend to a friends small Seb , there were no differences in quality or fit & finish between the two.
Either brand will serve you well for years and years , and will take all you can dish and come back for more. Those that favor the Sebbie usually won't get the allure of the Striders , and the same for the Strider fans , they wont get the allure of the Sebenza.
That is fine , it would suck if we all carried the same knife wouldnt it ?
Face it , most knives are never used hard enuff to make a darn difference anyways , sure it is nice to know they could be , comparing the Seb and Striders is like splitting hairs.
As far as the comments about Mick & Company , well I know them on a personal level , dirtbags , they most certainly are not. I have experience first hand , just what true down to earth caring people they are.
ah heck , this thread needs picts:
Can't go wrong with either.
I have had 5 large Reg Sebbies ( dont care for the look of the classic ) and 2 small over a course of 5 years. Never had a problem with any of them , each you could take apart , clean , re-assemble and have no problems. The finish on the blades are darn good at holding up against wear. I haven't had a seb for over a year , picked up a slightly used one a couple months ago , after 1 week , I sold it. Why ? It just did not feel right in my hand ( it was a large plain reg if that matters ). Ergonomic's is it one weakness. If they took the seb and used thicker Ti and radius'd it , it would really take it up a notch.
Money spent on a seb is money well spent.
Strider
I have had about 4 AR's , 2 Sng's and 2 SMF's and 2 PT's . Currently I own 1 AR and 1 Concealed carry PT ( CC PT ). Most of the ones I had are now owned by friends , who just had to have one , else I wouldn't have got rid of them.
I haven't had an issue with fit or finish on any of the Strider folders I have owned or currently own. In fact , my user is the PT CC , and comparing it last weekend to a friends small Seb , there were no differences in quality or fit & finish between the two.
Either brand will serve you well for years and years , and will take all you can dish and come back for more. Those that favor the Sebbie usually won't get the allure of the Striders , and the same for the Strider fans , they wont get the allure of the Sebenza.
That is fine , it would suck if we all carried the same knife wouldnt it ?
Face it , most knives are never used hard enuff to make a darn difference anyways , sure it is nice to know they could be , comparing the Seb and Striders is like splitting hairs.
As far as the comments about Mick & Company , well I know them on a personal level , dirtbags , they most certainly are not. I have experience first hand , just what true down to earth caring people they are.
ah heck , this thread needs picts:
