Sebenza served as glass breaker? Please advice.

[snyper1ad]

so you would still recommend(because it's safer) people to use the tip of their knife as opposed to the umnumzaans glass breaker? i'm still not quite bought on that(unless we're talking fixed blades, still i'd rather go in with my back against the car with the frame as a brace)

when someone needed pulled from a car, you took the time to unscrew the antenna, or you just snapped it off?

the genius types that punch straight into a glass window will obviously be getting cut, but without proper first aid training, that's about as much as they can do in the heat of the moment :/

i still feel awkward about seeing a recommendation for people to use the point of a folding knife though.

Honestly using the carbide tip or point of a blade is a bad idea. Obviously you wouldn't use the tip of the knife on a window someone is on the other side of. We normally break the rear window so you approach from behind to obtain c spine imobilization. In that case if the Umnum was my only tool I would rather use the tip and do a quick jerking motion with the tip to break the glass. It will keep my arm much further from the glass and you can still use the frame of the car as a brace. This is my personnel preference. Once again I reiterate that good Samaritans should not be extricating people from car wrecks unless extreme circumstances exist ie fire or submersion in water.

 

[flipe8]

It takes very little force to take a window with the glassbreaker tip of the Umnumzaan. I know this from experience. It makes no sense to use the open blade with the Umnumzaan.

 

[stabman]

I've been a paramedic for 12 years I highly suggest you don't use the carbide tip on the Umnum for breaking windows.

Especially since there is no carbide tip.

 

[The Logical One]

Or you could always use your elbow if you're inside the car trying to get out, or do a front kick if you're trying to break it from the outside.

 

[Haze]

Honestly using the carbide tip or point of a blade is a bad idea. Obviously you wouldn't use the tip of the knife on a window someone is on the other side of. We normally break the rear window so you approach from behind to obtain c spine imobilization. In that case if the Umnum was my only tool I would rather use the tip and do a quick jerking motion with the tip to break the glass. It will keep my arm much further from the glass and you can still use the frame of the car as a brace. This is my personnel preference. Once again I reiterate that good Samaritans should not be extricating people from car wrecks unless extreme circumstances exist ie fire or submersion in water.

Ummm, were you not just telling me that this very thing was a bad idea and NOT how you were taught to break a window ?.....

Any one trying to smash a window by stabbing at it with the blade of their knife is a person that doesn't have a particularly good relationship with their brain.

 

[Minibear464]

If you had to though, would the tip work? And I doubt a couple of cuts would matter to me when I'm about to die.

 

[Maniacal Pete]

This guy managed to cut himself using a hammer.

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[LeonardShelby]

I'm surprised you were not taught that as a paramedic.

have any non-dickish replies? haha jesus

 

[Haze]

Sorry, I don't, no.

You will also see he now says was taught that as a paramedic...

have any non-dickish replies? haha jesus

 

[marthinus]

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From a fire fighter:

i am not in the military and i am not a cop anymore but i did modify mine. i just did this last week. we had a fire the other day but i didnt need to use it then. i hang it on a hook on my coat and velcro the whole contraption.

this was my old firecoat knife. i bought a jumpmaster and gifted this one away to a Lt. so it is still in service

One can ad a carbide tip to the FRN handles. A much better suited tool IMO. One can get a safety tool with glass breaker from Benchmade as well, but dont know what its called.

 

[snyper1ad]

Haze obviously your the expert. If you don't agree with my experiences that's fine. You must spend a lot of time breaking windows and rescuing people. But it's your D-bag attitude that keeps me from posting on the forums too much. Enjoy your dominence on the Chris Reeve forum because obviously your opinion is the only one that matters. OUT.

 

[Haze]

I'm not the one flip flopping about the thread, perahps we have a misunderstanding and we do mean the same thing ? I have sent you a short PM any way, you can choose to read it or not.

Haze obviously your the expert. If you don't agree with my experiences that's fine. You must spend a lot of time breaking windows and rescuing people. But it's your D-bag attitude that keeps me from posting on the forums too much. Enjoy your dominence on the Chris Reeve forum because obviously your opinion is the only one that matters. OUT.

 

[CrimsonTideShooter]

Or you could always use your elbow if you're inside the car trying to get out, or do a front kick if you're trying to break it from the outside.

Hmm. Me thinks you've never tried to break tempered glass with your body. Your elbow nor foot can exert enough force in a small enough area to break the glass. You would be utterly shocked at how hard it is to break auto glass without the right tools. The old movie cliche of someone running up and slamming their elbow through your dirver's side window is a falsehood.

 

[stabman]

Your elbow nor foot can exert enough force in a small enough area to break the glass.

Maybe not your foot, but I quite easily kicked through 5 side windows of cars in a row with side kick (in a row, not 5 windows at once).
If you cannot kick through a side window of a car, don't bother kicking people either.

 

[The Logical One]

Hmm. Me thinks you've never tried to break tempered glass with your body. Your elbow nor foot can exert enough force in a small enough area to break the glass. You would be utterly shocked at how hard it is to break auto glass without the right tools. The old movie cliche of someone running up and slamming their elbow through your dirver's side window is a falsehood.

You have no idea how much force I can exert through a front kick apparently.

 

[TTTis]

Maybe not your foot, but I quite easily kicked through 5 side windows of cars in a row with side kick (in a row, not 5 windows at once).
If you cannot kick through a side window of a car, don't bother kicking people either.

Can actually back up what you're saying here. I kicked through a car window before (buddies $500 car to be scrapped). However I wouldn't friggen dare do it with my elbow.

On another note, I wouldn't even think about using the tip of my blade to break glass. That has "bad idea" written all over it.

 

[frontline29]

Maybe not your foot, but I quite easily kicked through 5 side windows of cars in a row with side kick (in a row, not 5 windows at once).
If you cannot kick through a side window of a car, don't bother kicking people either.

100% true. Ive had to kick a few in myself.

I Also smashed out a passenger side window with my elbow on a 2003 Malibu.
I was inside the car which would have made it a little easier do to the way the glass is shaped I would guess.

Regardless. It can be done.

 

[1AbominAble1]

In another life many many years ago I had the opportunity to break dozens of car windows from various makers and styles, I also witnessed first hand many many more being broken by others. I have more experience in this than most, I have to admit that I was slightly alarmed to read a post earlier in this thread that questioned wether or not you can get cut by tempered glass. Let me tell you that you can sustain a very serious injury from tempered glass, especially if you use something like an umnumzaan to hammer your way throuogh it. The plastic sandwiched between the panes that holds them together will break loose where you bust through and although the rest of the window will normally shatter into small fragments they generally hold in place. This leaves you with your arm stuck through the hole of a broken window,. What often happens after that is the upper portion of the hole will break loose from gravity, shock, you bumping it- who knows, but it does this often, leaving it to fall upon your arm where the weight of this sparp moving object can really tear up your arm.

I edc an umnumzaan and would NEVER consider using this so called glass breaker to break a window, I have a small hooding key chain tool with a spring loaded punch for that unlikely circumstance. If I was forced to use the blade I'd most likely go risky and use the tip of the blade while holding my thumb firmly on the butt of the handle to help prevent my hand from slipping forward- risky I know, but I'm more confident in my grip than I am in stopping my arm in the distance that'd be necessary to not jam it through glass if I were to use the breaker.

In my opinion the breaker just serves as a way to start the blade open when I use my left hand, then I use the stud.

When things go bad I'd rather use any improper object than my knuckles, and I hope that you never have to make those decisions; with all of that said I'd rather be bleeding badly than dead so use whatever you have and fix the rest later.

 

[5.56]

Chuck Norris's round-house kick breaks the window every time. Nobody can argue that.