Second thoughts on Survival Knife

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On my other post I was considering buying a cold steel srk or a benchmade csk. I'm starting to have second thoughts on both of these as an all purpose survival type knife. I've seen some videos on these knives and them seem pretty impressive...stabbing through metal, hammering it through concrete, chopping wood..ect. But just how practical is all that? I mean, if you're traveling through a forest or camping out for a while I can't see how those knives would be a good choice...other than they look really cool.

After thinking about this and surfing around knife sites it seems like it would be more practical to have something like this:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000ZFJRZE?smid=A36NIL00HJ3IIY&tag=nextag-sports-mp-20&linkCode=asn

along with a nice folder or smaller fixed blade. Seems like it would put one in a much better situation for survival and allow one to accomplish more with less work.

Any thoughts? Am I missing something where a knife like the srk or csk would be more beneficial?
 
Though those timberline arnt the worst, if you dont mind the traditional look, why not go for a wetterlings, or even back to the Modern look a fiskars.?

Heck go all out and get a Gransfor Bruks.
 
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Though those timberline arnt the worst, if you dont mind the who traditional look, why not go for a wetterlings, or even back to the Modern look a fiskars.?

Heck go all out and get a Gransfor Bruks.

I haven't really looked at many axes yet. Just looking at the practicality of a small axe over one of the larger fixed blade "survival" knives.

I'll look at those brand you recommended.
 
I know im constantly fighting this situation over and over in my head. no matter how many times I go out and switch set-ups around I can never settle on something.

Though most of the time, I find myself with a folder(sak, mabye a BM 551, a slipjoint style), a Fixed (Grohmann #3, nimravus or a CS masterhunter in CV) and then a chopper, this can range from a machete from tramontina to an axe from wetterlings or fiskars. but usually the chopper is a hachet style, well has been latley.
 
Google up the term 'Bushcraft' and see what other folks are up to. One common approach is to carry a small hatchet, a small fixed blade, and a small folder. $10 moras and $20 SAKs are probably the most commonly-carried knives by this crowd, leaving plenty of cash left over for a decent hatchet.

Get a good idea of what you really want to do out there. The better you can define you needs, the better you can meet them.

My advice? Getting hurt in the woods is something everyone should avoid. Folding saws are your friend...
 
I do a lot of primative camping and my bare minimum knife is a Victorinox camping model or a Swiss Champ. The past couple of years I have carried this C2 small custom made by Bill Sanders, who was one of the founders of Timberline custom knives in Colorado along with Vaughn Neeley.

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The teeth on the back of the blade are not for sawing wood per se but shaving off fire starter tinder and they work very well. Bill does fantastic work. His blades are hollow ground and mirror polished and sharp as heck.

I find a small hatchet of the type you show to be very limited in use. I do like a little larger hatchet if you want to carry the extra weight.
 
Just something to think about....

Chances are that if you find yourself in a true survival situation, the only knife that you will have on you is the one in your pocket, or on your belt.
Large heavier blades are usually the ones that get left back in the truck or back at the campsite.
So I would recommend getting a good reliable folder that you know you will carry everyday everywhere, and learn to survive with just that folder.
Don't base your survival skills on a large blade that you're not willing to carry 24/7.

As for camping....
I've never needed to chop up anything while camping.


Good luck,
Allen
 
I have found that the CSKII works fine, but so does my RAT 3. In the end, it's what you think you will need. A 3-4 inch blade can do alot, you just have to learn to work within its limitations. You also have to be comfortable with the blade you are carrying. In all my time hiking and camping, I have rarely needed more than a SAK - that does not mean it can't happen. Also keep in mind that many small hatchets will weigh more than a small to medium fixed blade.
 
Does nobody use a folding saw with a pull cut?
Light and easy to use.

No choppers
No axes

A folding saw and a folding knife.
 
I have a folding saw. Lighter and safer especially for someone who has cut off a thumb.
 
I see quite a few knives these days labeled "Survivor" or "Outdoorsman" or "Traveler" and for some reason it always strikes me as a marketing gimmick. Stick a grand word inducing imagery of the free and wild on any old knife and you'll suddenly start selling more pieces? You get my drift.

Camping and hiking and other outdoor activities are becoming increasingly popular again and the industry is sure to pick up on this. At the same time people have access to a lot more information now than back in the days so the demand for higher quality steel, custom knives and high end production pieces is higher too. The customers know what they want and the makers simply have to adjust to that.

Some of us are just nuts too, and we really know what we want. ;)

Marketing things as "specially made for surviving in the great outdoors" doesn't make a knife into an indestructible, be all end all tool though.

So, like I said, I'm always kind of suspicious of knives marketed as "survival", "tactical" and stuff like that. Don't get me wrong, I know first hand that a lot of these knives are made by great craftsmen and from respectable companies but If you have a knife that works it's not gonna fail you all of a sudden because it doesn't have the word "survival" on it, like it's latter day models. I mean, of course knives and knife making improves with new materials, better steel, more widespread knowledge and all that but if your old knife is in good shape and can handle all the tasks you need it for, it doesn't need to be replaced.

Personally, when I'm on short camping trips, lets say a few days tops, I only bring a small folder and a fixed blade. If on a longer trip I will add a folding saw. I've yet to have to chop anything up so after never having to use my camping axe I just stopped bringing it.

A SAK or equally small folder will go a long way towards being the only knife you'll need for daily chores. Lately I've been partial to my Fallkniven U2 since it's just such a fantastic little knife. I had wanted one for quite some time and finally got around and got one some months ago. So far I've been nothing but impressed with how much knife that's packed into that small frame. Stellar performance and very easily cleaned.

I will however always bring a fixed blade with me. Shit may hit the fan and I may need something heavier. And let's face it, being who I am I feel naked with only one knife on me, a feeling I'm sure is shared by quite a few here on this board. ;)

I have a custom 4 inch blade Finish Puukko (spelling?) that I've found to be a very good camping pal. Unfortunately I can't read Finish so I don't know what the maker has engraved on the blade but from the looks of it it's his name. The knife is very light weight and with a fantastic handling quality. I've had it for a very long time and it's yet to let me down.

Since I however own quite a few knives I'm sometimes tempted to switch it out for something more "modern day style" but in the end I seldom do. You just can't beat craftsmanship with hype, even if the hype is good.

I'm a user, not a collector so when I go out in the wilderness I need to know my tools. I and I alone will test out what works for me. I will not take your word alone for it. Sure, you can recommend me a tool or head me in a certain direction but I still have final call. Whenever I buy a new knife to test it out I will bring that one as an extra. My known and trusted blades will be brought along in case this newly purchased steel proves out to be a POS.

I got a little off topic here but I guess what I want to say is to come prepared and test every tool for yourself before relying on it. Just because it's sold as a "survival" knife doesn't mean it wasn't a phrase the guys at marketing stuck on it to sell more pieces. In the end the user makes or breaks the tool every time.

Happy camping man!
 
I like a belt axe, not a knife, for axe work. In the mountains, I carry a small belt axe, and a Bark River Northstar.

IMHO, the only TRUE "survival" knife fits on the end of a rifle barrel.
 
Don't get yourself too worked up about this. You don't need to go out and drop 100's of dollars on a "survival" knife. Why don't you pick up a Mora 510 and see how you like using a fixed blade around camp. Start from there and move up.
 
Check out Bark River- decent price, quality you can count on, and you're bound to find the right size & shape for what you want.
 
Don't get yourself too worked up about this. You don't need to go out and drop 100's of dollars on a "survival" knife. Why don't you pick up a Mora 510 and see how you like using a fixed blade around camp. Start from there and move up.

Best advice I've seen so far. And you also managed to sum up the gist of my entire previous post in a few lines! :thumbup:
 
On my other post I was considering buying a cold steel srk or a benchmade csk. I'm starting to have second thoughts on both of these as an all purpose survival type knife. I've seen some videos on these knives and them seem pretty impressive...stabbing through metal, hammering it through concrete, chopping wood..ect. But just how practical is all that? I mean, if you're traveling through a forest or camping out for a while I can't see how those knives would be a good choice...other than they look really cool.

After thinking about this and surfing around knife sites it seems like it would be more practical to have something like this:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000ZFJRZE?smid=A36NIL00HJ3IIY&tag=nextag-sports-mp-20&linkCode=asn

along with a nice folder or smaller fixed blade. Seems like it would put one in a much better situation for survival and allow one to accomplish more with less work.

Any thoughts? Am I missing something where a knife like the srk or csk would be more beneficial?
Any Busse, Swamp Rat of Scrapyard Dog make great tools for survival, for those on a budget, then Rat Cutlery is the way to go. RC-4 is a great bushcraft blade.
 
Though those timberline arnt the worst, if you dont mind the traditional look, why not go for a wetterlings, or even back to the Modern look a fiskars.?

Heck go all out and get a Gransfor Bruks.

I agree with the OP, a small folder/multitool and hatchet is the way to go. My Wetterlings is head and shoulders better than any hatchet I've ever used, although I haven't used any other really good ones like the Bruks.

Also, I'd consider the Benchmade Presidio 155SBK over the CSK as it has the same rough blade dimensions (6" long, 0.18" thick) and uses 154CM steel instead of 1095, although it costs a bit more.
 
We've all worked out the scenarios... we have BOBs... emergency 'kits' - even over-stuffed Altoids tins. I am the world's worst here. Especially the ultimate 'survival' knife. Good grief what a bunch of wasted steel I have!

Sure, we have ideal day-hike knives - real 'bushcraft' knives - great 'hunters', specialty 'capers', 'skinners', and even 'bird & trout' knives. The reality has been stated... to paraphrase, "Whatz in your pocket?". Well, I've come full circle.

When I was a younger man... and I had small sons... I carried a SAK. I'll hit sixty in a couple of weeks - and, I'm back to a SAK. Yep - I got the lead here - and 'the other forum' - I 'discovered' the Victorinox 'Farmer'. Wow - bought several from Amazon - got free shipping. I gave one to my older son - kept a spare for me.

If you just materialized here from a Star Trekkie transporter, I'll fill you in. The 'Farmer' has Al scales - and no toothpick or tweezers - an oddity of a SAK! It does have a can and bottle opener - with a small & large flat blade straight screwdriver bit. It has an awl - that works. It has a large straight bladed knife... and, a set-free crosscutting saw blade. No, you cannot build a log cabin with one... okay, maybe a 1/2" scale model. You could build shelter - provide kindling, etc - even dissassemble some devices, if need be. You could hole a belt where needed to make a sling. Lots of uses... and it aint a bad EDC, either. As such, at least you'll have it - even if your camping goodies and BOB are home in the closet.

Stainz
 
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