Seeing your "old" knife being sold on the exchange as NEW

RayseM

RayseM

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Doesn't seem right. Kind of true but still shouldn't it be told that this knife is "like" new but is not. Has been sharpened and owned by other?

It's a case of misrepresentation by missing information. The fact that it is being offered for as much as new from dealer sticks in my craw too.

I would want to know if I were a buyer. Any thoughts?






Ray
 
Send member a PM reminder and maybe they can edit their ad. Might also notify a moderator for their input.
 
Don't let it bother you...can't control everything.


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We're all working on the honor system here.
Just like out in the real world, that can be risky.

I try to be as descriptive in my listings as possible.
If I'd mentioned that I had used or sharpened a knife in my listing and saw that the buyer later listed it as new I'd probably PM them first.
I'd be interested to see what any mods would suggest after that.

Good thread topic, IMHO.
 
Bill Siegle said:
Send member a PM reminder and maybe they can edit their ad. Might also notify a moderator for their input.
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I would go this way. Notify them and see their reaction. If it is an honest mistake they will correct it. If it is purposeful deceit they will not. At that point you can notify a moderator if you wish, and your complaint should have been made stronger, by your letting the seller aware of the problem. Unless you are the original owner or keep notes non obvious condition info can be easily forgotten. I try to make copies of the sales ads(my purchases) for future reference, but I occasionally forget to do it.

I think the vast majority will correct the ad
 
OK - good points all. The "bother me" part is more from the point of view of me being a buyer of such a knife. I try to fully disclose as a seller and expect the same from others. I know - I know - that this is pipe dreaming but it is still an aspiration.

In this case I will take your advice and contact the seller. I'm sure he knows full well. Our exchange only took place a month or two ago but I will give him the benefit of the doubt. I cheer him on for selling high, if he can :thumbup: but am not happy about the misrepresentation in order to sell high.

'Nuff said. Thanks for sharing your opinions.

Ray
 
I disagree with the recommended action.

You should post in the sale thread and then use the report button. If it's an honest mistake, so be it. Your action could help weed out a bad actor I f the seller has a history of misrepresenting knives they are listing.

The community relies on each other to keep the exchange a great place to buy and sell knives.
 
It would bother me as a buyer as well and I'm glad it bothers other people too. One of the things I like about the buying and selling culture here is the emphasis on fairness. I know there are people flipping knives for profit on BF but I think most folks just want to pass their unwanted knives to other folks who do want them.
 
Knurling_turtle said:
I disagree with the recommended action.

You should post in the sale thread and then use the report button. If it's an honest mistake, so be it. Your action could help weed out a bad actor I f the seller has a history of misrepresenting knives they are listing.

The community relies on each other to keep the exchange a great place to buy and sell knives.
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That was my first impulse but I'm pretty sure I would be in the wrong in that case according to BF rules.
I have sent the seller a PM. Will see what results.

To summarize -

LNIB can be an accurate and broad sweeping description which could include 2nd hand knives but "BRAND NEW" leaves no room for interpretation.
 
RayseM said:
That was my first impulse but I'm pretty sure I would be in the wrong in that case according to BF rules.
I have sent the seller a PM. Will see what results.

To summarize -

LNIB can be an accurate and broad sweeping description which could include 2nd hand knives but "BRAND NEW" leaves no room for interpretation.
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It'd be nice to have some community agreed-upon guidelines for this, although I know there's a lot of subjectivity.

I'd propose something like:

BNIB: Brand New In Box, as received from dealer, unopened packaging.
LNIB: Like New In Box, packaging all present but opened, knife minimally handled but not carried or used.
ANIB: Almost New In Box, packaging all present and opened, knife shows no visible wear but may have been minimally carried or used. I think any knife acquired second hand and then resold could not be reasonably in better than this condition unless the packaging was sealed, since you can't really attest to what the prior owners did with it.
Light User: Knife has been used and carried and may have been sharpened, but does not show any scratches or marks and retains the original edge or has been sharpened very well by someone who knows what he or she is doing on good equipment.
User: Knife has been used, carried, and sharpened and shows wear and tear commensurate with regular use.
Hard User: Knife has been used, carried, and sharpened and shows significant wear and tear, including scratches, stains, minor rust, etc.

As an aside, I did see a recent post advertising a knife as LNIB with the caveat that the seller couldn't find the box.

... how is your knife like new in box if you can't find the box, one wonders.
 
UPDATE - Thread has been edited to "like new" - perhaps in response to my PM.

Considering the proposed from the post above by madcap it would have been most accurate to describe as ANIB.

• BNIB: Brand New In Box, as received from dealer, unopened packaging.

• LNIB: Like New In Box, packaging all present but opened, knife minimally handled but not carried or used.

• ANIB: Almost New In Box, packaging all present and opened, knife shows no visible wear but may have been minimally carried or used. I think any knife acquired second hand and then resold could not be reasonably in better than this condition unless the packaging was sealed, since you can't really attest to what the prior owners did with it.

• Light User: Knife has been used and carried and may have been sharpened, but does not show any scratches or marks and retains the original edge or has been sharpened very well by someone who knows what he or she is doing on good equipment.

• User: Knife has been used, carried, and sharpened and shows wear and tear commensurate with regular use.

• Hard User: Knife has been used, carried, and sharpened and shows significant wear and tear, including scratches, stains, minor rust, etc.

Great suggestions - excellent guidelines. Thanks.


Ray
 
RayseM said:
That was my first impulse but I'm pretty sure I would be in the wrong in that case according to BF rules.
I have sent the seller a PM. Will see what results.

To summarize -

LNIB can be an accurate and broad sweeping description which could include 2nd hand knives but "BRAND NEW" leaves no room for interpretation.
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In no way could anyone interpret a knife that's been sharpened as LNIB so I'm pretty sure you're not breaking a rule. Even if you are technically breaking an exchange rule, im confident a mod will look at all the facts and do the right thing.

The poster is quite literally misrepresenting the knife in their post. It should be called out in the thread as soon as possible.
 
To me, Like New In Box and Almost New In Box sound completely interchangeable.

I strongly dislike any terms like that because one persons NIB could be another's LNIB and a third persons light user. I'll throw MINT in that same category as well.

Give me some good pictures and it's current description in actual written words that have specific meaning and I'm a happy buyer. Much less room for interpretation.
 
Knurling_turtle said:
I disagree with the recommended action.

You should post in the sale thread and then use the report button. If it's an honest mistake, so be it. Your action could help weed out a bad actor I f the seller has a history of misrepresenting knives they are listing.

The community relies on each other to keep the exchange a great place to buy and sell knives.
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Posting negatives in sales threads is not theoretically a violation, it is a clear violation that has gotten people dinged by mods. It is prohibited.

The advice given above is right on point. If the seller does not correct his listing, it;s him who faces banning.
 
This is not from BF though, it was through Ebay, but this type of seller are everywhere. This is the so call "Like New, Excellent condition" Terzuola that I received in the mail today, not only are there scratches on scale, the liner lock also slip with vertical blade play. terzuola001.jpgterzuola002.jpgterzuola003.jpg
 
benchwarmer380 said:
Give me some good pictures and it's current description in actual written words that have specific meaning and I'm a happy buyer. Much less room for interpretation.
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Yup. Heck, even when I am buying a "NIB only taken out for pictures," I'll still ask for a verbal description of the mechanics. How's the action, lockup, bladeplay, etc? It's the one advantage of buying in the exchange -- the ability to communicate. Might as well take advantage of it and be clear about what you are buying. No shorthand is required.

In fact, "email me for pictures" in the opening post is one of those things that annoys me. Only slightly less than "net to me." :p
 
litetech said:
This is not from BF though, it was through Ebay, but this type of seller are everywhere. This is the so call "Like New, Excellent condition" Terzuola that I received in the mail today, not only are there scratches on scale, the liner lock also slip with vertical blade play.
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That needs to go right back for a full refund! :mad:
 
SpySmasher said:
Yup. Heck, even when I am buying a "NIB only taken out for pictures," I'll still ask for a verbal description of the mechanics. How's the action, lockup, bladeplay, etc? It's the one advantage of buying in the exchange -- the ability to communicate. Might as well take advantage of it and be clear about what you are buying. No shorthand is required.

In fact, "email me for pictures" in the opening post is one of those things that annoys me. Only slightly less than "net to me." :p
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I have been asked before for information like this and I will usually do one better for the potential buyer. I will make a short video of the knife up close and personal with my phone camera, to include opening and closing, and more closeups of anywhere that it was requested that the buyer wanted to see. It has always worked well for me. :thumbup:
 
There are lots of good upfront - clear - concise - dealings going on here in the BF Exchanges. :thumbup: Every now and again though, something /someone messes up and sadly that makes us all need to be super vigilant. Still - all in all its a great systems and I'm glad for it. The post that got me started in this thread has been modified. Wish it hadn't been necessary.

Thanks all for joining in on the discussion.

Ray
 
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