Self-dfense and AIDS

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First off,I am not in any way saying that all muggers,thugs,etc.have AIDS.I'm just wondering how many of us who carry knives for personal protection ever think about this.A confrontation where one or both parties are armed with knives is dangerous enough,but what if one or the other does have AIDS?Especially the bad guy?Just looking for some opinions.What do you think?


[This message has been edited by breeze (edited 12-03-2000).]
 
Pretty dicey topic on this one....

Have you sought out any Community-Based AIDS Education Centers in your area? They may have some good sites on the Net as well but I would look for a Red Cross Sponsored Education Center in your area and go in and take a look at the pamphlets they have available for free then talk to one of their employees for specifics or additional information.

I think your question is valid but you should get ALL the information on AIDS and specifically the parts about 'Casual Contact' not involving mucous membrane contact to further answer your question.

I've been working in the Health Field all my working life and feel that, in this case, it is best you utilize Community Resources for your answers.

Also, you are looking for 'FACTS' about AIDS. Unfortunately, there is a wealth of 'opinion' about AIDS (and that is NOT necessarily a good thing) out there. For clear/concise information, you want to stay well away from someone's 'ideas' about AIDS..... Get the FACTS... Then you'll know where to go from there.

Best of luck,
Shawn
 
First, I am a student psychology, but I did some medical school too.

Aids is to be feared when you're having sex with someone you don't know.
If i should use my Benchmade large stryker to stab (all the way, inclusive the disc), and have a all bloody knife, and if to dude has AIDS, and if I cut myself before I wipe my knife clean, I still will need to get more then two fresh drops of blood directley in my bloodvains.
AIDS is a very weak virus....only 15% of injected AIDS virus - cells surive in a host body. The virus cells enter a cell, and that takes time. If a fagocyte notices that, it will "eat" the viruscell, and if the virus is faster, it will destroy the cell it infected.
Only a massive injection of AIDS viruscells can infect someone else.
The countless small wounds made when having sex, mixed with some juices without fagocytes (like sperm, and consorts..) are practically the only efficient way to transmit AIDS. You need to "drink" about 3 liters of saliva of a AIDS patient to have a chance of getting it yourself.

If in chances, the chance you will get attacked : 1/100....attacker has AIDS 1/20 Attacker get in a real fight 1/20 attacker gets blood on your knife 1/10 you cut yourself on the same VERY bloody knife 1/20, chaces of AIDS virus surviving a healthy man's defensesystem (fagocytes)1/20 if you got enough inside your bloodstream 1/100..

This adds up to : 1/16000000000 or 0.0000000000625. Chance to win lottery 0.000002, chance to die by a direct lightning hit on your body 0.000003.

I suggest you play a lot on the lottery whith those odds ;-)

greetz, Bart.

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I haven't really given much thought to diseases, because my feeling is that if you need to use your knife to defend yourself, you are probably already in a situation where you are about to be killed or disfigured by your attacker. So anything you do to save your life at the time will be worth risking the chance that you will be exposed to a blood born disease. But my line of defense is as follows: first a fox 40 whistle that I keep at my side. If there is nobody there to draw attention from, then I run. If there is no where to run, or if the guy can run faster than me then I try and pepper spray um. If he is some sort of pepper resistant freak then I'm in serious trouble, and out comes the sifu or voyager. Still, from personal experience and from what I have read, I believe getting kicked in the nuts or getting the wind knocked out of you requires more recovery time than a superficial cut that might go unnoticed for several minutes. I've never gotten cut, but I have gotten hit in the nuts, stomach and eye with tennis balls, and in the first case I was on the ground squirming like a worm for several minutes immediately after impact.
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It IS something to think about. But I wouldn't let it stand in the way of protecting myself.

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Well, Bartstudent took the words right outta my mouth. I had typed EVERY SINGLE WORD of his explanation, but, alas, I had to run to the store for some powdered water, and by the time I came back, he beat me to the punch.

By the way, Bart, next time you take words outta my mouth, leave the molars there! I needed 'em to open the can of PW!

Since I wanna showoff anyhow, ya should REALLY be worried about Hepatitis. That's a lot more contageous and does a pretty good job of making you miserable for years.

Then there's Cooties, which ALL bad guys have... best way to deal with the situation is to shoot them from a distance of 75 yards or more, with a large caliber rifle.

Off to eat some patients,
I remain,
VG

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Yes, this is a big concern in the world of knives, muggers, and needle freaks....If I were you I would always wear latex disposable gloves in case you have to cut your attacker....or maybe a large latex suit, with head cover and oxygen supply. Fight Crime....SHOOT BACK!!
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Sorry, Bart, but you are as wrong as can be. A single small cut with a knife contaminated with fresh AIDS blood is sufficient to get it. Which is very likely to happen in a knife fight.
Proof was the infection of the american doctor who developped the multi-medicament therapy nowadays used to keep AIDS-patients alive in the rich industry countries. He is a coroner and was busy doing research on a man who died from AIDS when he cut himself with a used scalpell. A small cut, more like a stitch through his latex gloves, this was. Still he got infected and, thanks to the Gods, he didn't want to give up the fight against the disease and developped the new methods.
The remark about Hepathitis is absolutely right. It is a million times more infective, will make you miserable for at least some months and may litterally kill you, depending on which one you get.

Achim
 
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[This message has been edited by Ewok (edited 12-06-2000).]
 
EWOK, HUNNNEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
i TOLD YOU I HAD ALL MY SHOTS JUST BEFORE OUR "INCIDENT".
AND THERE WE MUCH MRE THAN SIXDEGREES OF POSITIONS, SILLY!
AFTER ALL YOU'RE THE ONE THAT BROUGHT THE 2000 EDITION OF THE KARMA SUTRA, SO YOU SHOULD REMEMBER THAT!

BY THE WAY, PERHAPS THIS ISN'T THE BEST PLACE TO TELL YOU BUT, YOU'RE GOING TO BE A DADDY. I DID THE DNA TESTS ALREADY (VG HAD SOME EXTRA CASH LYING AROUND FROM THE SALE OF A GUN) AND THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, YOU'RE THE DADDY.
PLEASE DON'T FORGET THE LIFESTYLE THAT i'VE BEEN ACCUSTOMED TO, SO YOU'D BETTER FIGURE ON A CHILD SUPPORT PAYMENT OF $1,000 PER WEEK, PER CRITTER.
(THE DOCTOR SAID THERE'LL BE AN INITIAL LITTER OF 12-15, BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT 3 OR 4 SHOULD BE EATEN BY THE SIBLINGS IN UTERO.

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[This message has been edited by Lorena Bobbitski (edited 12-06-2000).]
 
This topic has about run it's useful course. Since the last two posts were almost completely off topic, and Bart can't spell phagocyte properly (the immune system is a good deal more complicated than you make it sound, btw, and so are viruses), I am closing this thread for pointlessness.

I will hear email appeals. If anyone can give me a Good reason to unlock this thread, I will consider it.

Paracelsus, trying to do the right thing
 
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