Selling On The Forums?

Originally posted by nifrand
The transaction depends on the persons reputation and number of posts.I am one of those who has trust in my fellow humans.I will also take the first plane out and pay a visit to someone that tries to scam me.Was in the bar business for a good number of years.Dealt with all kinds.Like to think I know human nature.
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I usually ship first if they have a good rep or if I feel like I "know" them from seeing them post numerous times in the Forums.

I have also waited for payment if I do not know the person at all.

Many, many times I have shipped the knife before payment based on trust, in the end I hope the good outweighs the bad. Knife people are generally very trustworthy.

That being said: Randy I'm going to try and "scam you" on that slipjoint knife that you are going to send me:p

I'd love to get your a$$ out to Maui! Good excuse for your wife for a trip to the islands, huh?

Shall I make the reservations at the Four Seasons??:D ;)
 
well i have made a bunch of buys/sales/trades and i generally send the knife ASAP - and i agree w/C4 that BOTH people are taking a risk - comparing sending ssomeone a MO ya only know over the net for expected merchandise to the grocery store is like apples/oranges - ya dont pay for the groceries BEFORE you get them - i dont blame a custom maker for requiring a deposit would expect it - what makes me mad is when ya swap a knife, and the other person HAS yours and jacks around a week before he sends HIS , then doesnt ship as agreed to save a buck or 2- happened to me had a delivery confirmation, and nothing, nada for 11 days, no shipping info, etc then knife comes metered mail when i sent mine 2 day UPS(no names YOU know who you are...) - that sir is wrong too..........BUT with that in mind would also like to say i have done about 8-10 deals w/fellow forumites, and, other than the 1 incident, have found them all to be good honest folks - and even the 1 guy in the incident above described the knife accuratly, etc,and did send it lol - so i would like to think that the vast majority of forumites are good folks, and i look forward to further trades ......


sifu
 
If I am buying, either from a dealer or individual, I don't expect him to ship until he receives my payment. If we have established a prior relationship, and he feels comfortable shipping on my word, that is really great, but I don't think less of someone who wants payment first.Business is business, and there are some real scummers out here.Most of us have experience with those in one way or another!Exactly the same in reverse if I'm selling.
 
I usually ship immediately after making the deal. Exceptions are people who I've never heard of, had no feedback on GBU, or if I just get a bad feeling from the way they word their emails, whatever. On my end, I always send money orders priority, to make things as fast and smooth as possible.

I just sold some mags to a guy. He said he'd mail the money Sat. I said I'd send the mags Sat, or Monday if the PO were closed. Local PO was closed Sat. I just got done working 16 1/2 hours and have to be back in 6 1/2 hours. I'm screwing around here waiting on the PO to open so I can send him his mags. I assume he'll do what he said, and so will I.
I guess it is about trust.
Besides, I've got their name and address. They're stupid if they screw me.
 
The one thing you all have in common is familiarity.Ther is no substitute for knowing one another. I'm also a little suprised at th lack of comments by other ELU's as to their opinions. Trust is great,but the world has evolved toward 'how are you going to pay for this,please' I would never cheat another person on a purchase, But I know enough people that would .( no exxageration )so I'm not offended by prepayment.
guy
 
Still stick with my d answer. I would expect to pay first if I was the buyer and would expect the same if I was selling. If it was a partial trade also involving some money like money + knife for a knife, I would trade at the same time. I think that a vast majority of members are honorable here. I think you got one of the rare stinkers. I also look at the total posts a member has, although thats no necessarily the best thing either.
 
Folks,

As a buyer, I do not expect anyone to ship before they get my money. If they take a check, it's fine if they wait until the check clears. Actually prefer they wait so that no problems occur if the PO messes up.

My wife sells on E-bay, and always gets her money first. A seller in Canada once burned her for $18. Never sent the merchandise. Know this is not E-bay, but waiting until the funds are in hand prevents problems. I never need a knife/book/video, etc. that quickly.

Hope none of you folks, who trust the sisters and brothers in the Bladeforums community, ever get burned. :rolleyes:

Alan
 
If someone has been around here for some time and has a good rep at the GB&U, then I think it fair that the money and the knife "cross in the mail." As someone prior to me posted, what makes a seller any better than a buyer? The Buyer is "trusting" the seller when he sends a M.O. out, isn't he. :rolleyes:

I have made numerous deals here with fellow forumites and have never been burned yet. Ineterestingly enough, the only partial burn I ever had was from a dealer who represented a knife as being BG-42 only to find out, from the manufacturer, that is wasn't. :mad:

People talk about trust, I even had someone here complain about my sending them a Bank Money Order (in advance %$#&$*) rather than a Postal Money Order. This clown thought that I took unfair liberties when I opted for the convenience of having the office bookkeeper pick up the draft at the bank rather than waiting on line at the Post Office! :barf:

Bottom line, I have been blessed with good relationships and new friends as a result of dealing here at the Forums and see the tangible toys and mere dollars as incidental to the shared enjoyment of things sharp that this place, and it participants, have provided me. Then again, I haven't been stuck yet either.:)
 
I have done it once on just trust but that was with someone I had dealt with before and was acutally selling their knife back to them and once with a tracking number provided on a trade.
 
I normally wait on funds unless I have done a deal with someone before. Exceptions are rare but involve the "nature" of the deal and the buyers reputation. Most knives I have bought involved the other guy waiting on funds to arrive too!
 
The guy who burned me just found the knife I sent him.

He is supposedly going to send back the knife. See the latest info on the "Warning regarding Blademan_007" thread on the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly forum.

We'll see?

Out.
 
For the most part 'D' but with many transactions it was certainly 'A'... Just check out the feedback, and go by your gut.

Only had one transaction go bad and it was resolved a mere 3 months later. :rolleyes:

I figure if someone is going to screw you around then they'll likely be the same type person who will go the extra mile like faking MO, faxes, or copies. That stuff is pretty easy to do really and probably just 'ups the antee' for someone playing that game with you. So, you're pretty screwed no matter how many restrictions you place on a deal and the bad end is that you might scare away some honest guys with a weighty list of demands.

I've found honesty with seasoned forumites as well as relatively new guys but in the end it came down to a leap of faith, a little luck, and a strong belief in karma knowing I've done and continue to do a lot to help people out... Usually good things abound.

Main thing is don't get in a hurry... Worst thing that will happen is you get to 'keep' your knife. I think sometimes we get in the 'heat of the moment' during a deal and may ignore that little 'tug' in your gut. If it doesn't feel right break off the deal period or insist on $$$ up front... An honest guy will accept your decision though he may have a reasonable request of his own; but a bad guy will likely leave in a huff or hopefully just leave.

Hope it all works out and I hope you have better luck in the future.

Shawn
 
Originally posted by GPB
The guy who burned me just found the knife I sent him.

He is supposedly going to send back the knife. See the latest info on the "Warning regarding Blademan_007" thread on the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly forum.

We'll see?

Out.
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WOW:eek:

I've been following your thread over there for a while. Where did he find it? Under the porch where it mysteriously slipped out of the box on the way up his steps to be delivered??

To answer though, as of late I have been only shipping to people who I have dealt with before without getting payment first. I also try to look at a persons history a little before I iron out the details of shipping and recieving.

Please let us know if this guys sends you the knife back.
 
I have bought and sold on BFC. The only point I was trying to make was: What makes buyers less trustworthy than sellers?

If I am buying... and send a MO to Joe Knife and he doesn't send me the knife, how is that any different than my sending a knife and never getting payment?

I know that people have been burned (both ways) but I don't see buyers and sellers as different classes of people....

Michael
 
D, until I know know them or unless I know that their reputation is good. Members have trusted me in the past and I owe others the same respect, but not everyone. As much as I would like to trust everyone, I find it more prudent to be cautious, at least at first. Many members have such a good reputation that I would have no problem shipping to them without payment up front.

It is great to see that Blademan_007 is going to ship your knife back to you(fingers crossed). Let us know how everything turns out.
 
I buy, I have not yet sold a knife. (Yes, they are mine, all mine, and I am keeping them). As a buyer, I would never expect the seller to ship the item until they received my payment. I have had items shipped to me, by those who had dealt with me before, before they received my payment, but this was not asked for or expected. The first time this happened, I thought, WOW, this person takes me at my word that "I will take it". Kinda made me feel good. Thanks Patrick. If you are buying a knife, don't ask and don't expect it to be sent until the seller receives payment. If they choose to do so, then you have made a trusted friend. Yes, there are some rip offs out there, but don't let one bad experience spoil the enjoyment we all get from making friends trading/selling here on the forum. ;)
 
This is a very perplexing question no?

We've been aggressively buying and selling knives for 18 or so months now, using the various media outlets, with mixed results...

We inherited a large quantity of production knives, and sold them to buy the knives that our deceased friend, Keith Brown of San Diego, was collecting, in his memory.

Along the way we got bitten by the knife "bug", and are just running with it... :D So, whereas we initially started out as sellers, we're almost exclusively buyers now.

Ebay, 200 knives bought and sold. Outstanding folks in general, made some great friends too! 2 "bummers" though. MDBlades sold us a RMK #16 as "mint" It looked to have been sharpened. No response to our multiple email's....we left him a Nuetral, he responded by leaving us a Negative..."What a guy" Another fellow high bid a Benchmade Brend, then wanted a lower price! We offered to relist it to let him off the hook, but he wanted the knife....3 weeks later, the deal was done. We ALWAYS got the $$$ first back in those days.

KnifeAuction, 1 deal, Mr. Ted Wood of Michigan. He had the Yancy and Harsey Applegate/Fairbairn fixed blades we needed to finish off our collection. He wanted two Randall's and cash...so far no problem. I asked around, and my Northwood contacts said "he has the goods, but he's a prick" He had the goods, and he's a prick...enough said. Items passed in transit, then he wanted more money and talked down our RMK's until I stated that they'd come new to us from RMK via the good Mr. Tom Clinton. Wood is an ass, buyers/sellers beware!

BFC/KFC, mostly trades these days. We absolutely, positively, want to talk with the person on the phone before ANY deal goes through.

If we think the guy is a "dicksmack", then it's a no-go. If we recognize the name as that of a regular, and they come across as "cool" on the phone, then we'll send the money or knife first, based on our take of the person...

I agree with the "Hunt them down and haunt them" approach to deadbeats. Go screw with someone that does that to ya sometime, it's a real eye-opener for them. Passing through Kansas farm country a few years back, I ******* an assh*les truck for being a "Plick" over....well, never mind, but it does the heart good... :D

Establish a relationship with your business "partners", that seems to work best... :)

This is supposed to be fun, and we should all get to win...right guys?

Sorry, you asked...
 
Hawaiian,

As just a buyer, you are saying that you do not consider yourself an equal to the sellers. What makes them more honest than you (a buyer)? Or is it just lack of knife dealing self esteem...? Do you walk into a store and offer to pay for your food 6 days before you are going to get it...?
I think not...

Why a 2 class system?

Michael
 
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